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05-27-2017 , 09:38 AM
Hello 2+2

I need advice on this hand, i'm quite sure that i made a huge mistake by going all-in that was just ******ed. But is there any information you can give me on situation like this, because i find it very hard to fold a hand like that. Procentage wise, am i behind in this one?

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T10/T20
Buy-in: $0.90 + $0.10
888 Poker
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - Hero (T1,500)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T1,500)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T1,210)
MP - MP (T1,500)
MP2 - MP2 (T1,930)
CO - CO (T1,500)
BTN - BTN (T1,490)
SB - SB (T1,480)
BB - BB (T1,390)

Preflop: (T30, 9 players) Hero is UTG with Q J
Hero raises to T45, 3 folds, MP2 calls T45, 2 folds, SB calls T35, BB calls T25

Flop: 5 Q 8 (T180, 4 players)
SB bets T40, BB calls T40, Hero calls T40, 1 fold

Turn: Q (T300, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets T150, Hero calls T150, 1 fold

River: K (T600, 2 players)
BB bets T600, Hero raises to T1,265 (all-in), BB calls T555 (all-in), Uncalled bet of T110 returned to Hero

Total Pot: T2,910
BB shows 7 3
Hero shows Q J

BB wins T2,910
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05-27-2017 , 09:40 AM
fold pre
raise flop
raise turn
don't post results
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05-27-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
fold pre
raise flop
raise turn
don't post results
Please get out of my threads, you never write anything useful... no wonder you have 57k posts.
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05-27-2017 , 10:28 AM
Fold pre-flop. I wouldn't even consider raising QJo until MP2. It's a very mediocre hand with 8 players left behind you.

I'm ok with just calling flop. It's a small bet though. I'd probably lean more toward raising with AQ. Any information on sb's donk betting range or frequency?

As played, I would probably call turn.

As played, I think river shove is ok given stack sizes. It might be close between just calling and shoving.

Don't post results. It can bias the responses that people give.

Any reads/stats/info on opponents? This stuff can matter.



EDIT:

The "huge mistake" in this hand is pre-flop
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05-27-2017 , 11:00 AM
Don't raise QJo UTG pre. As played, raise flop, raise turn. Very unlikely for villain to have AQ/KQ in his flat call range. Stack sizes says ship on river wasn't bad, but when V bets half his remaining stack and you ship, what worse hands are calling it off there?
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05-27-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by refinedsugar
Stack sizes says ship on river wasn't bad, but when V bets half his remaining stack and you ship, what worse hands are calling it off there?
Calling might be better anyway, but if villain calls 73s preflop he might have every single Qx hand in his range and won't fold any of those.

Fold preflop is the most important thing here. In my opinion, flop is closer than most others think because we shouldn't be super thrilled about TPGK 4way. Turn is a clear raise if we know how wide BBs PF range is, otherwise calling might be better.
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05-27-2017 , 02:01 PM
I have no information on SB, besides the 15 hands i've played with him before i busted in this SnG.

And makes a lot of sense raising turn, but yes i guess it comes down to preflop and bad positioning. Just unlucky i got a set of queens since its so hard to fold atleast for me.
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05-27-2017 , 03:13 PM
As said, it's a fold pre in your position.

On the flop and turn you're super passive, even though by the turn you have trips and you're drawing to the nuts, with no straight or flush possibilities on the board. If you think about the turn and your call, you're letting flush draws and 67 see the river without making it difficult for them. I'm okay with the flop call, but by the turn I think you should be showing some strength.

On the river, what's going to call you that's worse than your hand? Maybe AA or Q10 at a push, but otherwise you're going to get called by a flush or a full house or a straight or maybe AQ.
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05-27-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DeidaraLP
Just unlucky i got a set of queens since its so hard to fold atleast for me.
Trips, not a set.
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05-27-2017 , 04:58 PM
OP I had posted this in your old thread.

3rd hand

1. You raise to 45 which I think is a min-raise with QJo:
This is my first issue with this hand
I would have thrown this away UTG and under MP or LP I would have opened.

I think what I would have been weary of was the SB betting OOP on the flop. Instead of raising you called which raising here keeps people honest. potential draws here are runner runner straight and backdoor flush(but there is no way to tell). The pot was cheap enough to draw on the flop.

The BB betting 150 on the turn this should be a sign that something is up. I also think a raise here would have been a good move as well either min-raise or 3x raise.

BB bets 600 on river which I think is the pot. This hand is toast throw it away or call. Raising all-in here is just bad it's way to early in the game to be shoving like that.

Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my 2cents.

Getting the queen on the turn is not unlucky, what was bad luck was the BB hitting his flush. It was half bad-luck really because it was a Q(c) and not Q(d)
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05-27-2017 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by refinedsugar
Trips, not a set.
Got it! Thanks.

And yeah, i guess it comes down to preflop. Thanks again everyone! <3
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05-27-2017 , 05:22 PM
Here is another hand i just played. Does anyone have some feedback on this one?

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T20/T40
Buy-in: $0.85 + $0.15
888 Poker
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T950)
MP - MP (T2,100)
CO - Hero (T1,790)
BTN - BTN (T3,040)
SB - SB (T2,500)
BB - BB (T3,120)

Preflop: (T90, 6 players) Hero is CO with 8 9
UTG calls T40, MP calls T40, Hero calls T40, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: Q 6 7 (T210, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets T120, 1 fold, Hero calls T120, 1 fold

Turn: J (T450, 2 players)
UTG bets T200, Hero calls T200

River: 8 (T850, 2 players)
UTG bets T585 (all-in), 1 fold, Uncalled bet of T585 returned to UTG

Total Pot: T850

UTG wins T850
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05-27-2017 , 06:11 PM
Do you know you UTG's play style?

your on a OE draw. so he might be making you pay to draw.

on the turn I would fold, I don't think OP is bs'ing he's picked up something while you have nothing but a redraw for a OE. And I'm not sure if the OE draw really helps or not.

river yea fold here there is just nothing holding you up.
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05-27-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kysg
Do you know you UTG's play style?

your on a OE draw. so he might be making you pay to draw.

on the turn I would fold, I don't think OP is bs'ing he's picked up something while you have nothing but a redraw for a OE. And I'm not sure if the OE draw really helps or not.

river yea fold here there is just nothing holding you up.
Yeah i guess i should folded turn, i just like these open-ended so much because they can be so profitable if you hit it. But i guess i have to study percentages in poker so i know what the chances would be of hitting an OE on the river. Thanks anyway dude
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05-27-2017 , 06:34 PM
Fold pre. As played, call down, expecting to run into a boat pretty often.
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05-27-2017 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DeidaraLP
Yeah i guess i should folded turn, i just like these open-ended so much because they can be so profitable if you hit it. But i guess i have to study percentages in poker so i know what the chances would be of hitting an OE on the river. Thanks anyway dude
well yes this is true but I believe this needs to be weighed out.

I know the flop is an OE draw which is 5-1 odds from what I remember going flop to turn. You could aim for implied odds but this falls relatively apart on the turn.

when the J pops up now I feel like at this point you may be up against either marginal hands/a set...again hard to tell. I don't think he would also have a draw here.

so with that said, I believe you have a redraw which is 2.5 -1 to hit the nut straight if I'm right. I just advocate folding here because he didn't want to give a free card on this one and you want to keep draws cheap. I'm not a huge fan of chasing them down.

That's just what I'm thinking...could be wrong.

folding pre is a safe move here but I have no problem with calling.

Last edited by kysg; 05-27-2017 at 07:12 PM. Reason: adjustments
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05-27-2017 , 07:40 PM
Okay, second hand I would fold on the turn but only because there's a reasonable chance that you could hit your straight draw and be beaten by a flush or maybe even a better straight. The call is okay in terms of the odds against top set or similar, but it's marginal, and I think the potential to lose even if you make your hand tips it.
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05-29-2017 , 10:19 AM
On hand one, I guess you should have raised instead of called.
Let him stay in the hand and hit the flush.
Ugly hand!
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05-29-2017 , 10:22 AM
In the 2nd hand, you had 8 outs. 16% pot odds. Or 7:1
V bet 50% of pot. 3:1 pot equity.
Easy fold. Implied Odds?
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