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03-18-2014 , 02:21 PM
GTECH G2 (Boss) - kr2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 33.66 BB (VPIP: 61.24, PFR: 5.74, 3Bet Preflop: 1.47, Hands: 209)
CO: 276.37 BB (VPIP: 14.42, PFR: 5.18, 3Bet Preflop: 1.21, Hands: 4,146)
BTN: 178.47 BB (VPIP: 59.69, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 2.11, Hands: 258)
SB: 489.74 BB (VPIP: 17.32, PFR: 6.60, 3Bet Preflop: 4.27, Hands: 412)
BB: 264.55 BB (VPIP: 18.23, PFR: 14.01, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 976)
Hero (UTG): 200 BB
UTG+1: 199 BB (VPIP: 10.74, PFR: 2.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 300)
UTG+2: 196.21 BB (VPIP: 13.53, PFR: 5.43, 3Bet Preflop: 2.21, Hands: 829)
MP: 318.78 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, UTG+2 calls 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 8 T 9
Hero bets 11.5 BB, UTG+2 raises to 27 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB

Turn: (65.5 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks

River: (65.5 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 34 BB, Hero calls 34 BB



whats you opinion on how I played this hand, what would you guys do?
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03-18-2014 , 02:30 PM
Fold to the flop raise. Don't think this passive nit is bluffing this texture often, if ever.
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03-18-2014 , 03:04 PM
Not an easy one but considering his stats, folding flop should be best.

River is a call as he doesn't really have any K in his range.
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03-18-2014 , 03:59 PM
Fold to flop raise, as the board is a scary one for your hand.

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Originally Posted by Babarberousse
Not an easy one but considering his stats, folding flop should be best.

River is a call as he doesn't really have any K in his range.
I think it is reasonable if V showed up with KJs here, but agree I think river is a call.
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03-18-2014 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Stellamoose
I think it is reasonable if V showed up with KJs here, but agree I think river is a call.
Villain never has KJ here. Never.
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03-18-2014 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Villain never has KJ here. Never.
I don't understand the river bet then...hero has all the K's in his range yes?
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03-18-2014 , 04:38 PM
Fold the flop and if not you should be folding the river imo. I think Villain possibly has KQ in his range and the flop bet may have been a semi-bluff by him. Am I wrong in my thinking? I'm a newb myself.
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03-18-2014 , 04:45 PM
Yeah fold flop imo.. You're ~200bb deep, you have pretty much no more ways to improve and you're OOP against a nit who raises you on the flop; if you call his raise, the pot is already pretty big.
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03-18-2014 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stellamoose
I think it is reasonable if V showed up with KJs here, but agree I think river is a call.
Everything is possible in poker, but he has the stats of a passive nit. It's unlikely that he'd raise a draw OTF.
He'll usually have a set here, or sometime QJs, and maybe rarely JTs if he isn't that passive.
It's not unreasonable to raise KQ and KJ here however as you'd make a lot of hand which have good equity fold, but this is quite an aggro move which is highly unlikely here.
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03-18-2014 , 08:34 PM
I put him on 88-KK most likely 88-TT.

You should have fold flop. After calling flop I think you played turn well, but because of his turn check you could have repped the AK on the river as it was unlikely he would have a K himself so most of the time you're bluff works, sometimes he will call and chop (less likely) and sometimes he will have you beat (even less likely)

What did he had?
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03-18-2014 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Babarberousse
Everything is possible in poker, but he has the stats of a passive nit. It's unlikely that he'd raise a draw OTF.
He'll usually have a set here, or sometime QJs, and maybe rarely JTs if he isn't that passive.
It's not unreasonable to raise KQ and KJ here however as you'd make a lot of hand which have good equity fold, but this is quite an aggro move which is highly unlikely here.
After thinking about this a bit, I am starting to see how his passive image leads to discounting many K's. I just couldn't dismiss them all initially.

Hero stats might change this also. If hero is opening a wide range, the calling range of the villain may reflect that and be wider than it appears.
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03-19-2014 , 03:29 AM
Nice reading, thanks for your thoughts. I didn't think he would raise a draw on the flop either but I'm getting raised so much on the flop these last days so I got abit tilted and called anyway. I put him on a set here or very unlikely a draw. On turn obviously I can't bet, when he checks that feels like a set that's scared of the straight. On river we both got a straight and I just check. Bet looks like he's just taking a stab at the pot. I thought that it's more likely that he would try to steal the pot on the river than that he would raise a draw on the flop. "I had a set, so I deserve this pot" also I didn't see many kings in his range.

He had KJ suited.
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03-19-2014 , 03:42 AM
Pretty surprised that V had KJ. But, I still agree with others that flop is a fold. There are almost no good cards that can come for you.
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03-19-2014 , 03:43 AM
Note, if I make it to river then I probably call because I can't see many Ks in V's hand (although, given outcome, clearly he has some).
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03-19-2014 , 03:53 AM
Given villain's unusual (for his stats) play I would be inclined to think his call pre was partially based on hero's image. Whilst at 2NL self-image issues can probably be safely ignored, it's probably a good idea to at least start to consider your image, especially vs players you have had a bit of history with. OP, I'd go into your HM2/PT4 database and bring up all the hands you've played vs this villain to try and gain a better understanding of why he took the line he did. My guess would be that there will be some hands you've played that have influenced his play here.
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03-19-2014 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ThatsNotPoker
Given villain's unusual (for his stats) play I would be inclined to think his call pre was partially based on hero's image.
That's what I was thinking. Either that or KJ is his favorite hand lol
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03-19-2014 , 06:09 AM
A slight tangent but on the flop I would bet smaller. Reason being that you are playing quite deep, are OOP and only have a pair and no draw on a dangerous board. Not a situation where you want to be bloating the pot so I'd be betting 7 or 8bb instead of 11.
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03-19-2014 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
Nice reading, thanks for your thoughts. I didn't think he would raise a draw on the flop either but I'm getting raised so much on the flop these last days so I got abit tilted and called anyway. I put him on a set here or very unlikely a draw. On turn obviously I can't bet, when he checks that feels like a set that's scared of the straight. On river we both got a straight and I just check. Bet looks like he's just taking a stab at the pot. I thought that it's more likely that he would try to steal the pot on the river than that he would raise a draw on the flop. "I had a set, so I deserve this pot" also I didn't see many kings in his range.

He had KJ suited.
Take a note about that, but what he actually had doesn't really matter. Given his stats and your pot odds this was still an obvious call.
Now you know that he's not as passive as his stats suggested and you'll play the next hands with him accordingly.
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03-19-2014 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Villain never has KJ here. Never.
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
He had KJ suited.


Seems absurd to me that a 14/6 preflop would decide to bluff at that flop, but that's life I guess.
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