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Old 11-15-2009, 07:40 AM   #26
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Ok seriously, GTFO. Every player plays with the intention of winning money, otherwise no one would play and many do win.

Now, I assume you are new to poker right? If that is the case then you will not win during your first month or two(probably). After that however, it is possible to win over $1K/mon at NL50 easly, and if you learn to 4 table, your rakeback can be $800+/mon.
Wow, that sure is big talk from someone who has been who 2 months ago made this thread...

Moving up to where my raises are respected - by mmac900

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I cant take these donks anymore! Everytime I raise, they just call, call, call. I know how people on here say move up to where they respect your raises, so that is exactly what I am going to do. I have played 200 hands at NL50 and was up $20, so I think I am just way too good for NL10, and I should just skip NL25 and NL50, and go straight to NL100. My bankroll is about $250 right now, but I figure if I just play tight at first I will soon have 20 buy ins. Is this a good idea?
..and is still playing 10NL.

If it is so easy why aren't you earning 1K a month at 50NL currently?
I guess you raises got too much respect?



To OP jumping straight into 50NL and hoping to win is a bit of a stretch. Playing when you have to pay the bills is just not a good way to learn poker. Time would be better spent getting your wife to find a new job (anything) and you learn to play poker recreationally for a few months.

And at the suggestions that he let his wife learn poker while he works... lol. Hate to be sexist, and there are tons of female poker players out their who could probably wipe the floor with me, but i would cringe at the thought of letting any of the females I know in front of a poker client, it would be donktastic. (maybe that says more about the females I know... )

Plus i'm sure she can find any crappy job that pays more than $1000 a month (i just assumed you lived in the US btw) and wouldn't require half the effort and risk it would take either you or her to learn poker.

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Old 11-15-2009, 08:12 AM   #27
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Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks!

Yeah, I'm older than you, I have a wife and a small kid, tho wife has not lost job.

The dangers are mostly mental and steem from several sources, written in a random order.


1. You put pressure on yourself to win a fixed amount each month, this is no good, there will be über sweet months and there will be meh months. If you start chasing a fixed amount, then you'll end up tilting like a cow.

2. You can have elaborate bankroll management schemes that involve playing on smallish rolls and moving up and down, but in my experience, I'd say the cushion that a 100BI roll gives is priceless. The alternatives are taxing and wear you out.

3. You need some time management, streesing at work, hurrying home, then forcing yourself to play. Maybe playing too long and getting into bed too late, thus entering a spiral of being to tired and stressed to function both at work and in poker is a danger. Here you need a cool wife, if she develops a tendency to ***** all the time, that you're always in front of that computer, never present and so forth, you're doomed again.


4. Get familiar with the notion that skill develops from the concious and emotional and becomes a subconcious competence at some point that is automatic and executed without too much effort. This entails two dangers.

First you can't just decide that you're a brilliant and logical mind, so you can deal with every first time you encounter it at the tables. You need to surrender to the grind and let it work it self in gradually until it is automatic.
Also you need to evaluate constantly and confirm that your decisions are correct or you'll just end up having an autopilot that suck hindering your game a lot.


etc etc.


But it is definately doable, also in our age.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:21 AM   #28
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Wow, that sure is big talk from someone who has been who 2 months ago made this thread...

Moving up to where my raises are respected - by mmac900



..and is still playing 10NL.

If it is so easy why aren't you earning 1K a month at 50NL currently?
I guess you raises got too much respect?



To OP jumping straight into 50NL and hoping to win is a bit of a stretch. Playing when you have to pay the bills is just not a good way to learn poker. Time would be better spent getting your wife to find a new job (anything) and you learn to play poker recreationally for a few months.

And at the suggestions that he let his wife learn poker while he works... lol. Hate to be sexist, and there are tons of female poker players out their who could probably wipe the floor with me, but i would cringe at the thought of letting any of the females I know in front of a poker client, it would be donktastic. (maybe that says more about the females I know... )

Plus i'm sure she can find any crappy job that pays more than $1000 a month (i just assumed you lived in the US btw) and wouldn't require half the effort and risk it would take either you or her to learn poker.
wtf your not a girl? I'm so confused now

And to OP, if you can beat NL50 for 2pt BB, our tilt free, and can put in a ton of hands, like a ton of hands (100k per month), then you can easily make +1k almost 2k playing NL50 on FTP.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:24 AM   #29
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Re: 35, wife losing job - Advice

please don't play poker with the 25k that's not poker monies !

play 50NL imo
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:43 AM   #30
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Re: 35, wife losing job - Advice

if wife is losing job shortly I hope she's looking now. You should post a little more about your abillity's and why you think that you can make that kinda money from poker. If you lose that 5k roll ,thats 5 months worth of the 1k per your looking for. Scared money vanishes faster that a virgin an prom night . Just my humble opinion
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:01 PM   #31
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wow this is so simple.....

get a new wife ldo
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:15 PM   #32
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Ok seriously, GTFO. Every player plays with the intention of winning money, otherwise no one would play and many do win.
I absolutely hate the using the term "EPIC FAIL" but here it is very appropriate.

If your motivation for playing, and trying to improve your game is 100% financially driven, you are going to light years behind people who are driven by passion for the game itself, and people who are driven to be the best.

Yes, if you focus on playing good poker, the money will eventually come, but focusing on winning money doesnt produce good poker.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:20 PM   #33
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Re: 35, wife losing job - Advice

Thanks for all of the good replies so far. To clarify, I have no intention of leaving my day job. That income can handle the mortgage and bills. Poker and the 1k to start is mainly groceries and gas. 5k would go for the poker roll with the 25k behind for months, especially early, where I missed my goal.

As for poker, I have played off and on since the early party days. Built up a 15k roll before and cashed most out for engagement/wedding costs and never really built it up again. But being married I never put in a ton of time or effort.

I'm pretty comfortable with 4-6 tables at a time.

The comment about age is really based on a love of the game and ideally, if I could move up appropriately, some day playing full time.

I do have rakeback set up and will play mostly FTP.

The comment about schedule is based on between hours in the evening and weekend, I think I could come close to a 40 hour poker week. My wife is fully on board as we are in Michigan and the prospects of a new position soon are slim to none.

With 5k, I think NL100 might be a better fit but I want to be conservative bankroll wise which I think NL50 would be.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:24 PM   #34
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I do have passion for the game and want to improve. Getting better and moving up will be my main focus. That's really what the 25k cushion behind the bankroll is for, to take the focus off "needing" to win especially early.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:24 PM   #35
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wow,this is such a bad idea to quit a good steady job.
ideas of good parts of having a job.
1 health insurance
2 steady paycheck to pay for food,shelter, auto , toys , ect.
3 vacation pay,sick days,personals days
4 less pressure stress knowing the the above are taken care of
5 there's lot more benefits to having Good employment
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play cards for fun and extra money is just a gravy..
if your not making a killing at cards of the weekends,what makes you think your going to do it full time.
the pressure to be a winning player will tilt you to no end.
playing with scared money is no way to try to make a living.
you have a 5 grand bankroll, keep your job . try building up the bankroll to over a hundred thousand . then you you have a real bankroll.
and
then still keep your job.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:28 PM   #36
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What was your winrate before, and at what levels?

Assuming the following

6 tables
6 max at 100 hands/hour
3PTBB/100 (or 6bb/100)

that's $6/hour/table or $36/hour + rakeback.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:29 PM   #37
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Z-bomb, I will be keeping my day job, benefits, etc. This is an attempt to allow my wife to stay home and not work for minimum wage.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:31 PM   #38
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i suggest you teach your wife how to beat 100NL
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Old 11-15-2009, 01:50 PM   #39
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1k a month really isnt hard to do if have any poker skills. Also, 40 hours a week will not happen. I suggest playing more tables instead of trying to play too many hours. Burn out is a big problem.
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:07 PM   #40
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Use 2+2 for strategy advice on poker hands. Be skeptical.

Do not use the forums for life decisions.
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:24 PM   #41
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Re: 35, wife losing job - Advice

Lot's of responses. Here's my perspective: You're planning to keep you job. That's good. You have a goal. That goal is theoretically attainable. Don't count on it. Play your best, try to hustle up some money if you can, and see where it takes you. Don't bank your family or home on it. Knowing you have a cushion means, if you try and don't see yourself succeeding in a few months, you're still alive and kicking, and can stop playing poker for a while, while getting your life in order in other ways.

I would suggest that you encourage your wife to enjoy the luxury of pursuing *good* job opportunities. Let her continue to apply to jobs that might be tough to land, but could be good prospects for future career, or pay quite well. If after a few months, she hasn't landed a super sweet job, and you've blown half, or most, or all of that 5K roll, then she'll have to aim a bit lower in the job market.

Meanwhile maintain what you've got, and play as though the money results matter a lot less than the quality of your play IF that's possible for you.

Good luck.
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:24 PM   #42
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Why not get a cool, low paying nightshift job? with a wireless internet access (available with certain operators) it s the most +EV alternative

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Old 11-15-2009, 03:02 PM   #43
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:16 PM   #44
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lol i take it most people didnt even read the thread tbh.
Why does everyone think OP is qutting job to play poker?

He wants to play poker for 1K a month to get gas/food etc while his normal job can pay for the rest.
All he wants to know if its possible for someone like him to maintain while his wife looks for a job.

lol i dont think it was that hard to understand, basically 95% of the threads think OP is quitting his job haha.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:45 PM   #45
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Does your wife like poker? if she has any interest in it at all i would teach her how to beat nl100, why not? Even if shes a slight winner atleast shes bringing in some kind of income and have something to do everyday while your at work.... not telling you not to do what your wanting to do but why not teach the wife too? You sound like you know what your doing as far as the money situation, go for it man.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:54 PM   #46
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Actually Lance she has NO interest! She does however understand my love of the game and desire to play. She would like to try just being a homemaker for a while. We have a 12 year old who doesn't need her a ton but she would like to focus on him full time and just basically let me pursue my passions.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:59 PM   #47
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Re: 35, wife losing job - Advice

Although some have probably been facetious in suggesting OP teach his wife poker, others appear serious. I'd say it's a bad idea (and happily OP seems to agree).

I wouldn't think of trying to convert ANY novice, who has shown no independent interest in poker, into a winning NLHE player overnight.

We, as a united forum, can't do much to whip a highly motivated and experience amateur into a winning low stakes player, so how can an individual just sit his/her spouse in front of a computer and say "here's the money making machine, just point and click." It doesn't work that way for ANYONE.
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:01 PM   #48
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lol wut?

hows your 10NL grinding life treating you?
Great, just moved up to NL25, thanks for asking!
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:05 PM   #49
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I absolutely hate the using the term "EPIC FAIL" but here it is very appropriate.

If your motivation for playing, and trying to improve your game is 100% financially driven, you are going to light years behind people who are driven by passion for the game itself, and people who are driven to be the best.

Yes, if you focus on playing good poker, the money will eventually come, but focusing on winning money doesnt produce good poker.
Idk if you are talking to him or me, but both me and him actually like the game, and I love the game, and just because yes I use it to make money, that's like saying you can't love your job. You sir, are an epic fail.
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:51 PM   #50
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why grind NL50 if your confident in your game and know you can beat it for even a slight rate. You have 50 BI and 25k still behind you if worse comes to worse, seems kinda nitty to just play NL50 if you know your good enough to beat NL100.

edit: granted if your playing with scared money at NL100 for some reason then it would be a bad idea obv.
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