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09-17-2011 , 03:09 PM
I have a few Qs about 3-betting pf in the micro stakes, no limit, 6 max games.

1) Should we ever play 3-bet pots OOP in any situation?
2) Should we call 3-bet OOP with small pp (100bb stack, HU in 6 max games) to set mine?
3) There isn't a set rule of how to play a hand, but in general, how would you play JJ and AK preflop when you get 3 bet by villain either OOP or IP?
4) You have 2 fish on your right and 3 nits/regs on the table. Is it ever a good idea 3-bet the fish lighter than usual to isolate?

Thank you
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09-17-2011 , 03:44 PM
1) Yes. Obvious example would be you 3-bet AA from SB and get a call. Calling a 3-bet oop is something that should rarely be done.

2) No, you wont get the implied odds needed to setmine.

3) Depends on villain. Fold, call and raise are all options depending on how villain plays.

4) Yes. 3-betting wide to isolate fish will often be a good idea.
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09-17-2011 , 04:01 PM
1. Of course. Your not going to fold aces or kings are you? Also if you are the superior player and your playing against an easy fish that you can outplay after the flop.

2. Depends on the size of the bet imo. If you 100bb deep and you hit a set you could easily double up

3. Too many options. I would do very different things based on my read and my opponents

4. I would try to do it very often. Nits will hardly ever call a 3bet unless they have the goods. Then your making the fishes put more money in the pot when youll outplay them
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09-17-2011 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by KelvinKe
1) Should we ever play 3-bet pots OOP
Yes.

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Originally Posted by KelvinKe
2) Should we call 3-bet OOP with small pp (100bb stack, HU in 6 max games) to set mine?
Maybe.

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Originally Posted by KelvinKe
3) There isn't a set rule of how to play a hand, but in general, how would you play JJ and AK preflop when you get 3 bet by villain either OOP or IP?
It depends.

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Originally Posted by KelvinKe
4) You have 2 fish on your right and 3 nits/regs on the table. Is it ever a good idea 3-bet the fish lighter than usual to isolate?
Yes.


Note: these are extremely broad questions. You'd be much better off posting specific hands than vague hypotheticals.
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09-17-2011 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KelvinKe
I have a few Qs about 3-betting pf in the micro stakes, no limit, 6 max games.

1) Should we ever play 3-bet pots OOP in any situation?
flatting with the intention of playing FIT or FOLD post flop is -EV play, so remember this next time you call OOP. With QQ you can use the 5/10 rule to weigh your decision if you really believe you're behind. Villains range and betting tendencies also should weigh your decision and also your table image ( i personally find I get 3bet light when i been betting a lot pre about 1/4 times in the micros).
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2) Should we call 3-bet OOP with small pp (100bb stack, HU in 6 max games) to set mine?
5/10 rule I still think your folding 98% here unless we think villian is a maniac who we can stack off when we hit a set and he 3bets small to 10bbs. Also I wouldn't even be raising small PP in early, mid position, I think it's a worse play then limp/calling.
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3) There isn't a set rule of how to play a hand, but in general, how would you play JJ and AK preflop when you get 3 bet by villain either OOP or IP?
If you still find its hard to play these hands postflop then it might be better to ship them. 5/10 rule does apply to JJ if you think your behind. Again this is villain dependent, nit=caution, supernit=fold, passive/aggro/fish=4bet of course I'm putting it in neat little packages, but this is something you'll have to figure out yourself. Knowing your opponent helps immensely. Pot control helps in these situations when you are unsure your ahead or not post flop.

Last edited by PokaPete; 09-17-2011 at 05:51 PM.
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09-18-2011 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
2) No, you wont get the implied odds needed to setmine.
Unless opponent is really bad (e.g. you have a note like "consistently min-3bets my 3.5bb opens to 6bb with JJ+"). Against decent opponents, you might get marginal implied odds (especially if you've gotten somewhat deep) if you just look at stack sizes, but you have to keep in mind that it will generally be much harder to get stacks in OOP.

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3) Depends on villain. Fold, call and raise are all options depending on how villain plays.
And your exact position at the table, as well as villain's. Keep in mind that it's not just about getting IP vs OOP, it's about putting villain on a range.

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4) Yes. 3-betting wide to isolate fish will often be a good idea.
It's higher variance ldo, but worth a try. Don't do it with trash hands. Ax blockers are worth a lot here imo especially since you can play Axs for nut flush value if all else fails.
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09-18-2011 , 04:14 AM
3-betting oop isn't horrible if you have a good idea of your opponent's range for calling. I often prefer a 3-bet over a call oop after running a process of elimination (This hand is too good to fold, I don't want to play this hand oop against this opponent's entire PFR range, therefore...)

Your opponent can raise preflop with a wide range of hands, and can 3-bet with a lot too. But he can only call a 3-bet or make a 4-bet with less. 3-betting gives you some amount of fold equity and even if your opponent calls your positional disadvantage isn't that bad because your opponent should have a very narrow range even without needing to see his postflop action.
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