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2NL - what's the right move here? 2NL - what's the right move here?

04-14-2020 , 06:29 PM
Hi,

I'm new to poker. I'd appreciate if anyone can have a look at my hand history and let me know if I make any mistakes?

1) Flop: I probably should have c-bet? I think my rational of not doing a c-bet was because I was out-of-position.

2) Flop: I plugged my hands into the equity calculator (and assume the Villain's range to be "MP open"), my equity is around 73%. Is it a good "rule of thumb" that I should c-bet whenever I am ahead??

3) Turn: Betting around 50% is a bit low? Should it be 75%??

4) River: Now looking back at the river, I am still confused if I should have folded @ river. With the 3-bet, it's likely that he just bluff or he has at least TT+, AJ (very unlikely), A2, A8, 89s, J9s,J8s (probably NOT in his range?) & QTs. TT+,AJ, A2,A8 & 89 are less likely because he would have bet in flop much more aggressively... so bluff (e.g. 22-99, or maybe some flush draw???), QTs and J9s are his possible range. If I plugged the above range to the equity calculator, it seems like my equity is likely >50%. Does it mean it's better NOT to fold here? Is it better to 4-bet?

MP's stats (w/ very limited sample of 11 hands) - VP 27, PFR 67


Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BB): $2.85
UTG: $2.32
MP: $2.11
CO: $2.00
BTN: $2.43
SB: $0.80

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Jc Ac
fold, MP raises to $0.06, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.04

Flop : ($0.13, 2 players) Ad 8s 9d
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn : ($0.13, 2 players) 2c
Hero bets $0.07, MP calls $0.07

River : ($0.27, 2 players) Jh
Hero bets $0.20, MP raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.50

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Last edited by King Spew; 04-14-2020 at 07:08 PM.
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04-14-2020 , 07:28 PM
1) it can't be a c-bet because you didn't raise pre
2) no, not really, you should bet because you think it's the most +ev thing to do
3) would probably go for a round ten cents but it really doesn't matter that much
4) can't fold river once you've outdrawn every reasonable thing villain had, sorry that his messing about with T7s got there
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04-14-2020 , 08:46 PM
As sixfour said you can't cbet because you didn't raise pre.

Then on the turn you should never have 1/2 pot bet you want to polarize so your strategy when betting should be 1/3-3/4 and 1/3-overbet and of course you should have a check range.

On the river it's player dependant I think, I can only think of JJ or QTs beating you being on MP so you are probably ahead most of the time

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04-15-2020 , 03:21 AM
I'm confused about MP's PFR being higher than VPIP. Are you possibly using VPIP:PFR ratio instead?

Hand seems wp.
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04-15-2020 , 03:32 AM
the river is also not a 3-bet
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04-15-2020 , 03:46 AM
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Last edited by King Spew; 04-15-2020 at 11:35 AM.
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04-15-2020 , 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Hand seems wp.
+1


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Question for the more experienced players:

- Suppose villain is a reasonable player (his stats and the fact it's NL2 suggest he may not be but just let's assume so).
- Suppose he perceives us as a reasonable player as well
- Do you think villain should cbet this board with his entire range? Or is the board to drawy and connected for that? If he shouldn't cbet with his entire range, how should he play Ax, QdTd, QsTs, and TT-QQ on this flop?

Last edited by 3p3; 04-15-2020 at 08:13 AM.
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04-15-2020 , 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3p3
+1


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Question for the more experienced players:

- Suppose villain is a reasonable player (his stats and the fact it's NL2 suggest he may not be but just let's assume so).
- Suppose he perceives us as a reasonable player as well
- Do you think villain should cbet this board with his entire range? Or is the board to drawy and connected for that? If he shouldn't cbet with his entire range, how should he play Ax, QdTd, QsTs, and TT-QQ on this flop?
Cbetting entire range small is probably fine - I suspect solver bet frequency is 85-90% but people definitely don't raise enough, and even if we assume GTO opponent, I doubt the simplification is losing much money.
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04-15-2020 , 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
I'm confused about MP's PFR being higher than VPIP. Are you possibly using VPIP:PFR ratio instead?

Hand seems wp.
Yeah sorry about that. It should be VPIP:PFR ratio.
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04-15-2020 , 11:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixfour
1) it can't be a c-bet because you didn't raise pre
2) no, not really, you should bet because you think it's the most +ev thing to do
3) would probably go for a round ten cents but it really doesn't matter that much
4) can't fold river once you've outdrawn every reasonable thing villain had, sorry that his messing about with T7s got there
Thanks! I'm still very new to this and am not too familiar with the terms. I did a quick Google search and it seems like if I didn't raise in pre-flop and then call a flop that's called a "donk".

It seems like in general, "donk" is a bad move?
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04-15-2020 , 11:34 AM
If you're wanting to bet, then you'll be wanting to call if he does, so by betting out you deny the other guy the chance to bluff
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04-15-2020 , 02:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3p3
+1


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Question for the more experienced players:

- Suppose villain is a reasonable player (his stats and the fact it's NL2 suggest he may not be but just let's assume so).
- Suppose he perceives us as a reasonable player as well
- Do you think villain should cbet this board with his entire range? Or is the board to drawy and connected for that? If he shouldn't cbet with his entire range, how should he play Ax, QdTd, QsTs, and TT-QQ on this flop?
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Originally Posted by candle21428
Yeah sorry about that. It should be VPIP:PFR ratio.
Ok - I'd really strongly recommend using PFR instead, it tells you exactly the same information but is more standard, meaning you'll find it easier to communicate with people about poker. Hell, I only suspected it was that because I've spent more time than is healthy playing around with poker stats!
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