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05-28-2012 , 01:50 PM
So, just moved up to 10nl Zoom so have no history with most villains (including this one)

Standard open for me pf against TAG/NIT blinds, and altho these are unknowns I am happy opening this hand expecting if i get called to be up against small pairs which will often fold postflop if they miss their set, or overcards which won't float often oop. Get call from BB. No idea on his range here except usually as stated.

Flop is great for my hand so I bet for value as it's really tough for him to hit this board, but he'll call with all his overpairs, maybe even float A high hands as I don't hit this often either. BB min raises. He's repping nothing here as it's such a narrow range and there aren't many 3s in his range, so I just call with outs. Pretty standard I think. If he'd made it bigger I would have had a tougher decision I think, but the logic still stands.

Turn is like the best card in the deck for me (unless he has A3), and so I bet half pot again when villain checks. I have so much equity that I don't want to scare off his 55-TT either, hence smaller bet. Maybe could have bet bigger here? Thinking about it now his hand looks more like an overpair to the flop than an Ace, or he'd cbet the turn. BB calls.

River I'm thinking he likes his hand enough to call pf and 2 streets so I bomb the river, hoping he has an Ace or thinks I'm bluffing.

Thoughts here? Would you have played it differently? Betsizing each street?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pyrops: $5.15
VovaS13: $5.53
alsconde: $9.83
rulanga29: $21.84
Glustler: $10.15
Hero (CO): $20.73

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 4 5
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, alsconde calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 3 2 3 (2 players)
alsconde checks, Hero bets $0.35, alsconde raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($2.05) A (2 players)
alsconde checks, Hero bets $1.10, alsconde calls $1.10

River: ($4.25) J (2 players)
alsconde checks, Hero bets $3.60, alsconde folds
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05-28-2012 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunna100
So, just moved up to 10nl Zoom so have no history with most villains (including this one)

Standard open for me pf against TAG/NIT blinds, and altho these are unknowns I am happy opening this hand expecting if i get called to be up against small pairs which will often fold postflop if they miss their set, or overcards which won't float often oop. Get call from BB. No idea on his range here except usually as stated.

Flop is great for my hand so I bet for value as it's really tough for him to hit this board, but he'll call with all his overpairs, maybe even float A high hands as I don't hit this often either. BB min raises. He's repping nothing here as it's such a narrow range and there aren't many 3s in his range, so I just call with outs. Pretty standard I think. If he'd made it bigger I would have had a tougher decision I think, but the logic still stands.

Turn is like the best card in the deck for me (unless he has A3), and so I bet half pot again when villain checks. I have so much equity that I don't want to scare off his 55-TT either, hence smaller bet. Maybe could have bet bigger here? Thinking about it now his hand looks more like an overpair to the flop than an Ace, or he'd cbet the turn. BB calls.

River I'm thinking he likes his hand enough to call pf and 2 streets so I bomb the river, hoping he has an Ace or thinks I'm bluffing.

Thoughts here? Would you have played it differently? Betsizing each street?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pyrops: $5.15
VovaS13: $5.53
alsconde: $9.83
rulanga29: $21.84
Glustler: $10.15
Hero (CO): $20.73

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 4 5
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, alsconde calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 3 2 3 (2 players)
alsconde checks, Hero bets $0.35, alsconde raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($2.05) A (2 players)
alsconde checks, Hero bets $1.10, alsconde calls $1.10

River: ($4.25) J (2 players)
alsconde checks, Hero bets $3.60, alsconde folds
Sorry, but what do you think he is calling with here? AA? JJ? AJ?

You should have just done the same size bet.

No idiot is going to call $3.60 there. He would pretty much need to have the nuts. Also, that bet is screaming you have Aces. So you are making him fold KK, QQ, TT here. Can't you just check the turn as he would likely bet you on the turn or you know he has complete air. So then you can make $1.10 river bet.

Last edited by simplicity123; 05-28-2012 at 02:04 PM.
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05-28-2012 , 02:46 PM
2.5x pre from the CO/BTN/SB - especially if they are nits.

Flop - seems fine. (Your semibluffing it though, your not extracting value from worse?). Not exactly folding IP vs his min raise with OESD and BD draws.

Turn (I prefer the 6c tbh) - bet much bigger . Things like JJ, TT, 99, 88 and so on wont be folding to a single bet once the ace hits- though will be thinking of folding to a second bet OTR. So extract your value now! (People at the micro stakes dont exactly give a damn about bet sizing - a $1 bet is the same as a $1.50 bet in there eyes. You have a monster so bet larger. Expect all sorts of floped overpairs to continue). May have himself an ace of sorts... Again, he is calling the larger bet with the same range so do so.

River - given my read, I maybe tempted to bet small ish in order to get him to call with these middle pairs. Maybe half pot here and 3/4 OTT (Same result, but I get a little more value) - but its the micros and your opponent can and will turn up with Ax, 3x and some overpairs he cant fold (though, thanks to the jack, those are somewhat limited. He now may fold 99, TT easily)

simplicity123: I think you are mis reading the turn- we have a straight.
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05-28-2012 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicity123
No idiot is going to call $3.60 there. He would pretty much need to have the nuts. Also, that bet is screaming you have Aces. So you are making him fold KK, QQ, TT here. Can't you just check the turn as he would likely bet you on the turn or you know he has complete air. So then you can make $1.10 river bet.
I can't check turn to make him bet turn, I'm in position.

If I check back turn and only make a $1.10 bet on the the river, isn't that giving up any chance of getting more out of the hand?

I agree, with hindsight bet is quite big on the river - hence the qestion re betsizing. I think we're missing a ton of value by not betting the turn tho
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05-28-2012 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GutshotDan92
2.5x pre from the CO/BTN/SB - especially if they are nits.

Flop - seems fine. (Your semibluffing it though, your not extracting value from worse?). Not exactly folding IP vs his min raise with OESD and BD draws.

Turn (I prefer the 6c tbh) - bet much bigger . Things like JJ, TT, 99, 88 and so on wont be folding to a single bet once the ace hits- though will be thinking of folding to a second bet OTR. So extract your value now! (People at the micro stakes dont exactly give a damn about bet sizing - a $1 bet is the same as a $1.50 bet in there eyes. You have a monster so bet larger. Expect all sorts of floped overpairs to continue). May have himself an ace of sorts... Again, he is calling the larger bet with the same range so do so.

River - given my read, I maybe tempted to bet small ish in order to get him to call with these middle pairs. Maybe half pot here and 3/4 OTT (Same result, but I get a little more value) - but its the micros and your opponent can and will turn up with Ax, 3x and some overpairs he cant fold (though, thanks to the jack, those are somewhat limited. He now may fold 99, TT easily)

simplicity123: I think you are mis reading the turn- we have a straight.
I normally open 2.5x from BTN, but 3x from CO to discourage BTN coming along cheaply. You're right re semibluff not value.

Think you're right re turn. Still prefer the Ace with paired board as no way he makes a boat here, but w/e! Agree with getting the value bet in now. My thoughts on the river, should have been what i was thinking on the turn. My thought process was "keep him in the hand" so looked smaller here. I know we have the straight, but just didn't want him folding his smaller pairs.

Re river - yep smaller bet here may have been better. At the time I was thinking any Ace will still likely call, but with hindsight he's unlikely to have ch/raised an Ace hand otf then ch/called turn.
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05-28-2012 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunna100
I can't check turn to make him bet turn, I'm in position.

If I check back turn and only make a $1.10 bet on the the river, isn't that giving up any chance of getting more out of the hand?

I agree, with hindsight bet is quite big on the river - hence the question re betsizing. I think we're missing a ton of value by not betting the turn tho

I agree on the missing value. At the micros - you really need to be for value and stacks. HOWEVER, would have done a 1/2 pot on river. He may have been drawing also (its micros), and missed. Truth is, below 25nl, unless they have 2 pair or better - they will probably fold on the river anyway. Just my experience.
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05-28-2012 , 05:30 PM
Bet bigger on turn, smaller on river (as % of pot). The board becomes draw heavy OTT (although perhaps scary for his likely small overpair) and so a larger bet sizing is appropriate. River you're just going for a crying call required by the pot odds, and he's not calling a big bet without at least a strong ace.
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