Yeah, vpFree2.com will lead you to the right direction. Most of the time, they will also try to describe where the machines roughly are.

In the past year, there was only one casino where I didn't find the machines in the locations they described. Most of the time it's pretty good.

^Thx

It would be much easier if the basics of 9/6 JoB would be posted in the Op message. Every so often noobs like me pop in and ask the same questions.

One my question was recognizing a machine as 9/6 or whatever the pay out is. Before I had no idea what I was looking at.

VPfree2 is the nuts when it comes to VP. I had it on my phone the entire time I was bumming around casinos. Some great paying machines are bunched together with crappy ones so it helps to know exactly where everything is.

Although FPDW from what I could see at the Palms and Sam's Town isn't hidden. They advertise it on the top of the slant machines as "FULL PAY DEUCES WILD BBQ".

I am staying at MGM property for the first time .VPfree2 shows that there is some good 25 cent job at new york new york. The problem is it says (no points) in brackets. Does this mean no mlife points? Any ideas where i can play 25 cent or is this not possible at mgm properties?

Yeah, you won't get MLife comps on those machines since it is the best they offer at the quarter level for all MLife properties, and they want to be jerks like that I guess.

If it's important for you to earn MLife comps while playing one of your best choices is Mandalay Bay.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/mandalay-bay-hotel-casino

They have 99.2% Loose Deuces Wild (high variance) and 98.91% "Airport Deuces" (low variance).

You can also play 8/5 Bonus (99.17%; low variance) and 9/6 Double Double Bonus (98.98%; medium variance) at Bellagio for quarters IF you are willing to just play one line on one game on a "Triple Spin Poker" machine. Just don't hit the max bet button, otherwise you'll be playing for $33.75.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/bellagio-las-vegas

Playing spin poker on a single line is a bit flustering, but 8/5 Bonus is probably the best choice if you are new to video poker. Bonus Poker strategy is almost the same as Jacks or Better.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...nus-poker/8-5/

Yeah, think thats the only FP JoB on the strip? the card slots are blocked off though. It's easy to find, they have a big sign above it.

MGM has FP JOB for $1 coins.

Hello...chiming in.....

Saw a post a few pages back about someone playing FPDW and wanting to move to 1$ level, but lamenting the bankroll issues...just wanted to say there ARE NO 1$ FPDW in Vegas.....or anywhere else I know of.


I am headed out to Vegas for a couple weeks of poker and video poker on Tuesday. One of the new posts on VPFREE2 shows the EUreka casino, a small locals place on East Sahara has put in some really good games recently and I will be checking them out......I have been to Vegas 20+ times and have never set fut in there.

Gold Coast has some good games, but I rarely hit anything there...

They have 9-6 1$ JOB at the Sportsbook bar, and with .30% (Emerald Card) and 100$/month mailers, this is near or over 100% for a degen like me....Plus, Dim Sum at PingPangPong and the red wontons at the noodle exchange are HEAVEN.

If you like DoubleDouble, and want a better paying game, check out the 8-5 Super Aces (2000 for ANY 4 aces, no kicker required.) It is almost always triple play...... It is prevalent at 7-5 but the Peppermill Rainbow in Henderson, (no slot club) and the Eureka both have this game (99.94%!!) Best kept secret and Super fun (and SUPER high variance......)

Thanks for all the help guys

Where?

I have a question about grinding tier points for a total rewards property.

If my goal is longevity (play as many hands as possible), would it be mathematically better to play NSUD 99.73 (25 variance) or 9/6 JOB 99.54 (19 variance)? I play both perfect.

Both games are $5 machines and my goal is to put in $1,000 to play as many hands as possible until I go broke with that initial $1,000. I understand that the payback % is based on the royal so my assumption is that the 9/6 JOB will last me longer since it has lower variance despite its lower payback %. Thoughts?

Bonus: Anyone know how to calculate then avg expected # of hands until busto for either game?

It's the equivalent of playing $50 through quarters, so I would try to go for NSUD since you want variance and you can make so many hands if you keep getting deuces. I would also suggest DDB but returns never get high enough to match the 2 games. JoB imo is boring since there are no wild cards.

How much points are you trying to earn? TR is $10 coin in = 1 point and if you can play $25/hand at 1000 hands/hr you're cycling through $25k which is 2500 points. You also have to factor in the limited bankroll so it's doubtful you can survive the hour unless you pull 5oak or wild royals.

I don't have a particular point target in mind, the more the merrier. I pretty much kiss the $1k goodbye before I insert it. Just want to play either game for as long as possible. Of course if I get lucky early on I may set a stop limit (if I were up to $3,000 I may set a stop point at the original $1,000).

I actually do not want variance and I believe playing NSUD sacrifices variance for higher ev compared to JOB.

Playing NSU you will go broke about 75% of the time after 1000 hands. Playing JOB you will go broke about 64% of the time after 1000 hands.

This may be way off, but if your goal is to maximize longevity wouldn't playing 1 credit/hand reduce your variance? That will mechanically increase the # of hands you can play before going broke of course, but it should also increase your "expected" coin-in before going broke (median, not average because the higher royal payoff skews the distribution of hands when playing 5 credits). I'm too lazy to do the math on this, but I would expect that it's going to increase the expected coin-in on well beyond the 90th percentile of your runs.

1 credit reduces the expected payout on NSUD to just over 98.5%, but if you're playing where I think you are you can't find any $1 machines that payout that much anyway.

But playing 1 credit no only reduces ev on the royal, but it also earns loyalty points at 1/5 the rate. I would have to play 5x the hands at worse odds to get the same point value.

Sure, but if for example you don't go bust until you get 6x the hands you'll still end up with more tier credits, although at a cost of spending 6 times as long at the machine for only 1.2x the credits.

In the total rewards thread in B&M Bav posted something similar to this question, where he ran some simulations showing a distribution of wins/losses playing 2000 hands of $5 JOB (played over 2 days, number of hands req'd to reach diamond). You want something similar, except instead of a win/loss distribution, you want to play until your balance goes to 0 and simulate a large number of runs to see how many hands you can expect to get. Like I said above, I'm too lazy to write this program myself, but maybe someone who's already done a lot of the work would be able to run it for you. Since the difference in EV only comes into play if you hit a natural royal flush and you'll go bust a vast majority of the time before that happens I think you'll see that the middle of the distribution is more than 5x higher playing 1 coin than 5 on a $5 machine with a $1000 bankroll.

I've thought about this a bit myself, particularly since they converted their reel rewards to express slot play. If I have $50 I need to run through a machine it reduces the variance significantly if I play 10 hands at $5 than if I play 2 hands at $25, although I'll be kicking myself if I ever hit a natural on the first two hands using the former.

Very interesting about 5x at $1 > 1x at $5...I'll look into the Total Rewards thread as well, was unaware it existed. Thanks.

Trip report: Played $5 max credit nsud for total coin in of $110,000 (based on 11,000 base tiers) over course of 5-6hrs total in two separate days. With the 5,000 tier bonus for daily 2,500, I was able to get 21,000 tier points overall during this short stretch. End result: Up $5k, due to hitting 2222 early on. Ran well. Anticipating sick ADT now lol..

Edit: I was up exactly $5k after ~4,400 hands so aside from the 1000*$5 score for quad deuces it looks like I ran well to breakeven otherwise. Sick part is, had 5 four card natural royals during the 4,400h stretch, but it never hit obv.

That's awesome. I seem to have trouble running into positive variance on anything higher than quarters..... So you got Diamond? Wasn't NSUD more fun than JoB?

I can prob grind enough to get 7 star at 7,500 (2,500+5,000) for 20 days at 1,000h/day if I really wanted to. 20,000 hands at $25 * .9973 = $1,350 theoretical loss

That is pretty sick. Obviously the way to go if you can hit a hand early like that

Could be a waste of time/money. I know of some people who have hit the 7-star credit total all from VP who were not invited because of that. Their theoretical was too low compared to the offers they were using, so they wouldn't upgrade them. That's why 7-star is by invitation... they actually care how you got to the 150k.

If that is 100% confirmed true then it looks like I will have zero incentive to go beyond lvl 1 or lvl 2 diamond. Thanks for the info. On a side note however, playing deuces is a whole lotta fun!

Yeah, they reserve the right to not invite someone if CET feels someone is "gaming the system". But I met a retiree in Tunica last year who casino hopped around the country and basically grinded near 100% return video poker for comps/free play, and said he typically profited $20k-$30k/yr from it. CET still gave him a 7 Stars card...lol

But if one pulls off the 20 sessions at 2500 Tier each trip though, I would think one is much less likely to get invited since that is only half of the coin-in compared to the old system.

Anyone know where this supposed FP job is at MGM? Am there now but can't find it!