Like, throw away the two pair and redraw for deuces? Yeah, probably hit more that way.

The closer you relatively get to expectation over more hands. You're 20 Deuces in the hole now. You are expected to be 20 Deuces in the hole 50 million hands down the road too. But by the 50 million hand mark, you'll be expected to hit Deuces over 10,000 times. So being 20 below expectation isn't a big deal.

Currently your bad run on Deuces is 1 in 6 to happen. It's more important to run better than average on royals though. So if you're 44 royals and above right now, keep it up!

Exactly.

I don't know Deuces theory exactly, but I feel like I remember reading to hold a single deuce and 2 straight flush, and a Deuce and 2 royal cards. That limits the amount of 4 deuces you get.

I've held all of my deuce draws perfectly.

Hey Tringlomane, I don't understand when I reach expectation I should be at expectation. If expectation is 50 million hands when I get there shouldn't I have 10,185 deuces assuming that I play proper strategy? How do you get the 1 in 6 number? Right now Im at expectation with royals (43) but Im missing $3000 from the drop and $4000 from deuces so Im 7K below expectation ;(

It can get worse. 2,028,269 hands played 25 deuces below expectation.

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...e-due-happens/

Tringlomane is right about this and this article explains what that means.

Another way to phrase it is to consider what happens as you play more hands to two different things:

1. The percentage return of the game. The law of large numbers says that this approaches its true value as the number of hands grows.
2. The dollar value of wins and losses. The more hands you play, the more likely this number is to be further from expectation.

That's why Grossjean says that due is in the denominator.

To put it more precisely in terms of your example.

The percentage of 4 deuces is more likely to be closer to expectation as the sample size grows.

The absolute number of 4 deuces is more likely to be further from expectation as the sample size grows.

Thanks for the article and putting a ribbon on things random_person.

Video Poker for Winners or WinPoker from the App Store.

This may be a stupid question that has been asked before in this thread. When watching video poker streamers or TR on this forum, they all play single hand. Shouldn't single hand have the same odds as playing multi-hand? Or is it done for entertainment's sake (not being able to see the other hands on a video)? Am I missing something big here?

In general, the pay tables on multi-hand machines are much worse than single hand, especially at denominations under quarter.

Emerald Island in Henderson is one exception I can come up with. It has 30-coin penny, two-cent and nickel 10/6 DDB, though the straight flush has a slight short pay to keep it just under 100%.

New to Video poker but I wanted to get Mlife gold card and am close to it so I put in $1000 playing 10 play .25 9/6 JOB which is $12.50 a spin.

I ended up losing about $980 haha. Is this common as I don't think I made any glaring mistakes.

In the short run playing multi-line will show you just how much your results depend upon the quality of the hands you are dealt.

Losing $980 there is not that uncommon if you played a fair number of hands without getting dealt some high-paying hands or some high quality draws. Without knowing exactly how many hands you played, it is impossible to know exactly how unusual your results were.

Well I can say losing money at video poker is definitely not unusual. Especially if you don't bink a royal.

I'm down about $2200 for the year playing video poker. I have hit 0 royals and have not been dealt any quads in the multi line games.

There are 3 machines in the whole casino that offer good pay tables. They are all 3/5/10 multi line and in the high stakes room. The machines are usually always in use and no one was winning for the day. Maybe the machines just paid out a royal haha - but apparently that doesn't mater. The machines also have spin poker and other variants like Deal Draw which I don't know if those are favorable to play. Most people were playing these super times pay variant which I didn't really understand.

The other machines in the casino that offer anything decent for single play are DB 9/7/5 which is 99.1% return.

It's like Ultimate X except the multiplier is random and covers all hands. I doubt the RTP is favorable when compared to standard multi-hand games on the same machine or in the same casino.

I haven't ever studied the game but keep in mind that it's unlikely that the pay table from a multiplier exotic is at all comparable to a standard game. It may look substantially worse than it really is.

I haven't played in a few years but is there now a 25c 9/6 JoB game at an MGM casino that accepts a players card? When I played there were lots of $1 machines (esp. at MGM Grand) and there was a 25c game at NYNY that did not take a players card. Of course things change; I'm just curious where this is.

It's the one in National harbor not vegas

Finnally hit the royal

I was dealt KcJdQcTc5s and I just held the KQTccc. I used to hold the KJQT but after doing some studying I found out that was not the best hold!

That's right, we play to hit royals!


One of my favorite royals I was dealt KQT5dddd5c. I feel a lot or people wouldn't have given themselves the chance to peel off the AJ of diamonds like I did.

Still desperately waiting to bink one holding ATsuited. Royal has to be considerably inflated for that to be a hold.

Twice I've been dealt a pat Royal at 10-handed UX. Unfortunately both times I didn't have much for multipliers out there, only won 15x and 17x instead of the bare 10x.

Congrats.

If you are playing for significant money I highly suggest a trainer subscription. I always liked the gold membership to videopoker.com. When I got to Vegas I would sit in the hotel and play on my laptop until I had 200+ hands in a row with no errors -- then I knew I was ready to play for real cash. There are phone trainers too (even free ones) but being able to use the keyboard on the laptop let me really fly through the hands -- just as fast as on a fast machine.

I used to play a lot of full pay TDB which has a somewhat complex strategy, so I wanted to make sure I was sharp before playing for real. It was amazing how many mistakes I'd make in the first 50 hands or so before I got "into the flow".

If you don't know the correct strategy for your game, the trainer will pay for itself in no time. Even if you do, using it to "warm up" like I did can be valuable.

Nice. I've only been dealt one pat royal in my life, and it was a single-pay $1 JoB with a progressive. I was still thrilled though. It seems like a lifetime ago...

I played so much $5 TDB (spin or triple spin) and never got dealt the royal or AAAA + kicker (or even AAAA without kicker, or 2222-4444 for that matter)