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Old 05-16-2011, 11:12 AM   #1
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Spades vs Hearts

I just played my first game of spades. We won. Lol.

It seems this game has been big in the US since the 1930s. I discovered it properly today.

Comparing the version of hearts and spades found in Windows games packages, I am unsure which game requires the most skill.

It seems about the same level of skill is required for each. Anyone think one game is much more skillful than the other?

I don't think I would gamble at either though I did once gamble at hearts. Nothing serious though.
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:04 PM   #2
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Re: Spades vs Hearts

Spades requires a lot more skill IMO. The bidding and strat behind it requires a lot more skill. In hearts you could just dodge all of the hearts and never try to shoot the moon and you will do well if you trade the right cards and protect yourself in spades suit.
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:15 PM   #3
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Spades requires a lot more skill IMO. The bidding and strat behind it requires a lot more skill. In hearts you could just dodge all of the hearts and never try to shoot the moon and you will do well if you trade the right cards and protect yourself in spades suit.
I have little experience with Spades, but when I did play I found that the people I was playing against had a lot less strategy and thinking than those I played against in Hearts. It could just be that the Spades players I knew weren't very experienced, and that there is a lot more there and I didn't have a chance to explore it (I expect there is a lot of strategy and skill). But if you use the above strategy in Hearts you will do fine if you are playing against people who don't know how to play very well, but the game does have a high degree of skill and strategy to play well, and there is much more to it than just avoiding taking hearts.
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:20 PM   #4
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Re: Spades vs Hearts

If you're playing against the computer, it's ridiculously easy to shoot the moon in Hearts. Doing it isn't even fun any more - I try to win by shooting the moon four hands in a row. Doing it the 3 times you pass cards is pretty standard; the fourth time when you're holding cards is the real challenge.

If you're playing against real players it kind of depends on what their skill levels are. You don't bid in Hearts so it's less complex, but you get into these kind of leveling wars in Hearts when you play repeatedly with people you know.
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:15 PM   #5
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Re: Spades vs Hearts

Spades in my opinion. You have bidding and play, and typically a partner. In hearts you're limited to your passing strategy for your pre-play strategy (which tends to be pretty straightforward with a lot of hands) and since you typically play solo you're at the whim of the other 3 players and their passing strategy.
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Old 05-20-2011, 04:50 PM   #6
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Spades in my opinion. You have bidding and play, and typically a partner. In hearts you're limited to your passing strategy for your pre-play strategy (which tends to be pretty straightforward with a lot of hands) and since you typically play solo you're at the whim of the other 3 players and their passing strategy.
Just an FYI, back when I was in college and played a lot of hearts, we played partner hearts, and it was a lot more fun and challenging. The passing strategy changes dramatically depending on whether you are passing to your partner or an opponent. Nearly every hand offers an opportunity for one team or the other (often both) to shoot the moon. The play is more complex, because you have to know how and when to pass the lead to your partner, or to let your partner get rid of losing (or winning, depending on the strategy for the hand) cards. So I'm only pointing that out to any hearts players who have never done this but have a 4-some. I found it to be a much more fun version of the game.
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Old 05-23-2011, 10:58 PM   #7
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Just an FYI, back when I was in college and played a lot of hearts, we played partner hearts, and it was a lot more fun and challenging. The passing strategy changes dramatically depending on whether you are passing to your partner or an opponent. Nearly every hand offers an opportunity for one team or the other (often both) to shoot the moon. The play is more complex, because you have to know how and when to pass the lead to your partner, or to let your partner get rid of losing (or winning, depending on the strategy for the hand) cards. So I'm only pointing that out to any hearts players who have never done this but have a 4-some. I found it to be a much more fun version of the game.
Thank you for this.

When the occasion arises I will definitely give this a try.
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Old 05-25-2011, 01:50 AM   #8
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Re: Spades vs Hearts

Spades requires more skill but you'll find it much easier to take money off weak players at Hearts. Most everybody can learn how to play pretty quickly and the points system is easy to understand. Trick games like spades turn casual players off and they usually don't have any interest in gamling on them.

Crib is easy for people to learn and gamble on as well. Similiar to hearts most casual players don't realize the advantage that a skilled player has. Good casual card games = easy to learn, easy to track points (gambling wise).
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