Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Other Gambling Games Discussion about other gambling games.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-24-2017, 02:25 AM   #26
etothemc2
old hand
 
etothemc2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South Bend
Posts: 1,233
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
So if its continuous shuffle, then the cards we are dealt depend on the time we click the button then?
This is simply backwards. The continuous shuffle is the exact reason the cards do NOT depend on the time you click the button.
etothemc2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 01:10 PM   #27
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Explain.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 01:31 PM   #28
2pairsof2s
adept
 
2pairsof2s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Cashier screen at Pokerstars
Posts: 758
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

When you play at an online casino, you are competing against a computer that has been programmed to beat you at a specific pre-determined rate. I don't see how stopping to smell the flowers will alter that fact. Or in other words, it doesn't matter when you log in. It is still programmed to beat you at the same pre-determined rate.

Here is a question that has long troubled me:

If a CGI tree falls in an animated forest, is anyone there to program the sound?
2pairsof2s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:32 PM   #29
heehaww
Pooh-Bah
 
heehaww's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: It was an attractive goat in AR
Posts: 4,182
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
Im not saying theres any way to figure out the right time. Only wondering if there is a right time or not.
There's a right time in the same way that there's a "right lottery number" to play, or a "right time" to chase a 1-outer for a pot-sized shove. You'd have to be psychic to know it.
heehaww is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:46 PM   #30
callipygian
slowrolled by tpiranha!
 
callipygian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: but I don't know which
Posts: 18,152
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

OP, have you ever considered reading a Wikipedia page about random number generators or something?

Yes, the time matters. Because frequently the milli/microseconds on the clock is used as a seed for the RNG. But how that translates into whether you win or lose is unclear at best.

You're not the first person to try and beat the RNG by timing.
callipygian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:59 PM   #31
heehaww
Pooh-Bah
 
heehaww's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: It was an attractive goat in AR
Posts: 4,182
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

And even if you did know the right millisecond, I'm still not sure you could use it to your advantage. You'd have to know your own reflexes to the millisecond, as well as the delay of your mouse input and the time it takes for the server to process your click, and you'd have to click exactly that far ahead of time.

(Edit: I suppose you could target clusters of good milliseconds so that you wouldn't have to hit an exact target. Alright but good luck figuring out in advance the exact milliseconds that would lead to victory.)
heehaww is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 03:23 PM   #32
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Im not saying you can equate this knowledge into winning. Thats not what Im saying at all.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 03:24 PM   #33
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

I am merely curious if the cards you get dealt are dependent on the time you log into the server.

Not sure why I have to keep repeating this.

Actually, I am sure. Just not trying to be a jerk.

I appreciate the input everyone.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 03:26 PM   #34
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Obviously theres no way to figure out what "the right time is".

Its funny people seem to think Im trying to figure out a way to win. Im not. Im just curious about the continuous shuffle.

Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 03:27 PM   #35
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by callipygian View Post
OP, have you ever considered reading a Wikipedia page about random number generators or something?
Not really, because I know the information in the article would say absolutely nothing about continuous shuffling and how that equates into timing.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 03:46 PM   #36
Didace
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Didace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 11,800
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.
Theoretically, if the deck is shuffled at the end of each hand, your actions on that hand would effect the shuffle for the next hand. So, by timing your actions on hand A you could get lucky on hand B.
Didace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 04:55 PM   #37
ntnBO
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,523
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

This thread and OP will haunt me for years.
ntnBO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 07:03 PM   #38
heehaww
Pooh-Bah
 
heehaww's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: It was an attractive goat in AR
Posts: 4,182
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.
And the chance of this person getting that lucky is exactly the same as it would be if the shuffle were done in advance (non-continuously).
heehaww is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2017, 12:46 AM   #39
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

I see what youre saying. Insignificant. Interesting.

But the reality remains.

If the cards are in a state of continuous shuffling and the exact second you log in decides what you get dealt, theoretically it is possible to get in at the right time repeatedly.

It is apparently not impossible based off of what we are proposing.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2017, 10:43 AM   #40
VBAces
old hand
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,854
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
I see what youre saying. Insignificant. Interesting.

But the reality remains.

If the cards are in a state of continuous shuffling and the exact second you log in decides what you get dealt, theoretically it is possible to get in at the right time repeatedly.

It is apparently not impossible based off of what we are proposing.
The second you log in is irrelevant, the cards are determined each time a deal needs to be initiated. No, it isn't possible to intentionally get in (however you define "get in") at the right moment repeatedly. And just what is anyone proposing that suggests you could win repeatedly?
VBAces is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2017, 11:25 AM   #41
heehaww
Pooh-Bah
 
heehaww's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: It was an attractive goat in AR
Posts: 4,182
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VBAces View Post
And just what is anyone proposing that suggests you could win repeatedly?
I propose that it's random, which means it's technically possible (though highly improbable), up to the limits imposed by card removal.
heehaww is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2017, 06:37 PM   #42
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

This is exactly what I mean and why I started this thread. I totally see both sides, and a great example is the last 2 posts. One displays both sides pretty much to the tee of what has been going on my head.

Its really hard to figure out which side is the correct one. Clearly both can not be correct.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2017, 06:47 PM   #43
Didace
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Didace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 11,800
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
Its really hard to figure out which side is the correct one. Clearly both can not be correct.
What are you talking about? No one thinks it's possible other than by random chance.
Didace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2017, 06:53 PM   #44
2pairsof2s
adept
 
2pairsof2s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Cashier screen at Pokerstars
Posts: 758
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Didace View Post
What are you talking about? No one thinks it's possible other than by random chance.
I'm going to keep wearing my lucky socks, though. Nobody has proven that they don't work, and I have solid evidence that they do.
2pairsof2s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2017, 09:43 AM   #45
jeccross
veteran
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 2,919
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s View Post
I'm going to keep wearing my lucky socks, though. Nobody has proven that they don't work, and I have solid evidence that they do.
If you're wearing them while this thread continues to exist that's pretty strong evidence to the contrary.
jeccross is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2017, 12:58 PM   #46
callipygian
slowrolled by tpiranha!
 
callipygian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: but I don't know which
Posts: 18,152
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
Its funny people seem to think Im trying to figure out a way to win. Im not. Im just curious about the continuous shuffle.

Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.
The second quoted paragraph pretty much makes the first quoted paragraph either a bald faced lie or quite possibly the worst case of self-denial I've ever seen.

Of course you want a way to win. That's the whole ****ing reason this board exists. We are all looking for a way to win.

Stop lying (whether it's to yourself or to us).
callipygian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2017, 11:56 PM   #47
the degenerate
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,259
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Im merely curious about RNG's. I dont think knowing the answer to this question will ever help anyone to win because theres know way to know what a good time to get in would be.

I mean unless you recorded millions of results and looked at them based off the time and looked for some correlation but even those would almost certainly be nothing but coincidental.
the degenerate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2017, 08:00 AM   #48
Neil S
King of the sidebar
 
Neil S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 17,977
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

You're an idiot reaching for ways to shift blame for your poor life decisions and you're mad because we're not enabling you.
Neil S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2017, 07:10 PM   #49
asymbacguy
centurion
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 186
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeccross View Post
If you're wearing them while this thread continues to exist that's pretty strong evidence to the contrary.
LOL

That's the best part of the thread.
asymbacguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2017, 10:24 PM   #50
PokerHero77
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 52
Re: Question that has haunted me for years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the degenerate View Post
Im merely curious about RNG's. I dont think knowing the answer to this question will ever help anyone to win because theres know way to know what a good time to get in would be.

I mean unless you recorded millions of results and looked at them based off the time and looked for some correlation but even those would almost certainly be nothing but coincidental.
You are about 18 years late for "easily" beating a flawed RNG.

But it cannot be proven that all sites use unbeatable RNGs.

I recommend spending more time analyzing the One2Six shuffler.
PokerHero77 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online