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07-24-2017 , 02:25 AM

#26

etothemc2

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

So if its continuous shuffle, then the cards we are dealt depend on the time we click the button then?

This is simply backwards. The continuous shuffle is the exact reason the cards do NOT depend on the time you click the button.

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07-24-2017 , 01:10 PM

#27

the degenerate

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Explain.

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07-24-2017 , 01:31 PM

#28

2pairsof2s

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When you play at an online casino, you are competing against a computer that has been programmed to beat you at a specific pre-determined rate. I don't see how stopping to smell the flowers will alter that fact. Or in other words, it doesn't matter when you log in. It is still programmed to beat you at the same pre-determined rate.

Here is a question that has long troubled me:

If a CGI tree falls in an animated forest, is anyone there to program the sound?

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07-24-2017 , 02:32 PM

#29

heehaww

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

Im not saying theres any way to figure out the right time. Only wondering if there is a right time or not.

There's a right time in the same way that there's a "right lottery number" to play, or a "right time" to chase a 1-outer for a pot-sized shove. You'd have to be psychic to know it.

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07-24-2017 , 02:46 PM

#30

callipygian

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OP, have you ever considered reading a Wikipedia page about random number generators or something?

Yes, the time matters. Because frequently the milli/microseconds on the clock is used as a seed for the RNG. But how that translates into whether you win or lose is unclear at best.

You're not the first person to try and beat the RNG by timing.

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07-24-2017 , 02:59 PM

#31

heehaww

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And even if you did know the right millisecond, I'm still not sure you could use it to your advantage. You'd have to know your own reflexes to the millisecond, as well as the delay of your mouse input and the time it takes for the server to process your click, and you'd have to click exactly that far ahead of time.

(Edit: I suppose you could target clusters of good milliseconds so that you wouldn't have to hit an exact target. Alright but good luck figuring out in advance the exact milliseconds that would lead to victory.)

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07-24-2017 , 03:23 PM

#32

the degenerate

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Im not saying you can equate this knowledge into winning. Thats not what Im saying at all.

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07-24-2017 , 03:24 PM

#33

the degenerate

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I am merely curious if the cards you get dealt are dependent on the time you log into the server.

Not sure why I have to keep repeating this.

Actually, I am sure. Just not trying to be a jerk.

I appreciate the input everyone.

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07-24-2017 , 03:26 PM

#34

the degenerate

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Obviously theres no way to figure out what "the right time is".

Its funny people seem to think Im trying to figure out a way to win. Im not. Im just curious about the continuous shuffle.

Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.

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07-24-2017 , 03:27 PM

#35

the degenerate

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Originally Posted by callipygian

OP, have you ever considered reading a Wikipedia page about random number generators or something?

Not really, because I know the information in the article would say absolutely nothing about continuous shuffling and how that equates into timing.

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07-24-2017 , 03:46 PM

#36

Didace

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.

Theoretically, if the deck is shuffled at the end of each hand, your actions on that hand would effect the shuffle for the next hand. So, by timing your actions on hand A you could get lucky on hand B.

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07-24-2017 , 04:55 PM

#37

ntnBO

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This thread and OP will haunt me for years.

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07-24-2017 , 07:03 PM

#38

heehaww

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.

And the chance of this person getting that lucky is exactly the same as it would be if the shuffle were done in advance (non-continuously).

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07-25-2017 , 12:46 AM

#39

the degenerate

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I see what youre saying. Insignificant. Interesting.

But the reality remains.

If the cards are in a state of continuous shuffling and the exact second you log in decides what you get dealt, theoretically it is possible to get in at the right time repeatedly.

It is apparently not impossible based off of what we are proposing.

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07-25-2017 , 10:43 AM

#40

VBAces

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

The second you log in is irrelevant, the cards are determined each time a deal needs to be initiated. No, it isn't possible to intentionally get in (however you define "get in") at the right moment repeatedly. And just what is anyone proposing that suggests you could win repeatedly?

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07-25-2017 , 11:25 AM

#41

heehaww

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Originally Posted by VBAces

And just what is anyone proposing that suggests you could win repeatedly?

I propose that it's random, which means it's technically possible (though highly improbable), up to the limits imposed by card removal.

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07-25-2017 , 06:37 PM

#42

the degenerate

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This is exactly what I mean and why I started this thread. I totally see both sides, and a great example is the last 2 posts. One displays both sides pretty much to the tee of what has been going on my head.

Its really hard to figure out which side is the correct one. Clearly both can not be correct.

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07-25-2017 , 06:47 PM

#43

Didace

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

Its really hard to figure out which side is the correct one. Clearly both can not be correct.

What are you talking about? No one thinks it's possible other than by random chance.

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07-25-2017 , 06:53 PM

#44

2pairsof2s

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Originally Posted by Didace

What are you talking about? No one thinks it's possible other than by random chance.

I'm going to keep wearing my lucky socks, though. Nobody has proven that they don't work, and I have solid evidence that they do.

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07-26-2017 , 09:43 AM

#45

jeccross

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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s

I'm going to keep wearing my lucky socks, though. Nobody has proven that they don't work, and I have solid evidence that they do.

If you're wearing them while this thread continues to exist that's pretty strong evidence to the contrary.

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07-27-2017 , 12:58 PM

#46

callipygian

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

Its funny people seem to think Im trying to figure out a way to win. Im not. Im just curious about the continuous shuffle.

Theoretically if the cards are in a continuous shuffle, one could be lucky and get in at the right time continuously.

The second quoted paragraph pretty much makes the first quoted paragraph either a bald faced lie or quite possibly the worst case of self-denial I've ever seen.

Of course you want a way to win. That's the whole ****ing reason this board exists. We are all looking for a way to win.

Stop lying (whether it's to yourself or to us).

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07-27-2017 , 11:56 PM

#47

the degenerate

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Im merely curious about RNG's. I dont think knowing the answer to this question will ever help anyone to win because theres know way to know what a good time to get in would be.

I mean unless you recorded millions of results and looked at them based off the time and looked for some correlation but even those would almost certainly be nothing but coincidental.

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07-28-2017 , 08:00 AM

#48

Neil S

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You're an idiot reaching for ways to shift blame for your poor life decisions and you're mad because we're not enabling you.

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07-28-2017 , 07:10 PM

#49

asymbacguy

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Originally Posted by jeccross

If you're wearing them while this thread continues to exist that's pretty strong evidence to the contrary.

LOL

That's the best part of the thread.

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07-29-2017 , 10:24 PM

#50

PokerHero77

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Originally Posted by the degenerate

You are about 18 years late for "easily" beating a flawed RNG.

But it cannot be proven that all sites use unbeatable RNGs.

I recommend spending more time analyzing the One2Six shuffler.

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