The casino boat near me just added a new procedure where after dealing out the players cards, dealers cards and the board they then count down the deck during every single hand. Most of us who play are pretty regular and hated this. The dealers hated it. I can't imagine a player new to the game wants to wait that long between hands either. The only thing that made it tolerable was that they were showing the NFL playoffs on a tv right above our heads.

That may be the dumbest casino in the US.

The auto shuffler games all do this too, this is why you have to wait until the light comes on to check cards. I just can't believe this in a hand shuffled game. Probably 1 out of 10 players could be cheating, when the actual number is 1 out of 10000 or less, and they'd still be better off not doing it.

Anyway, sit at 1st base, and get low, but not too low, and it won't take long to figure out how to beat this. You can play the trips for cover if it's a decent paytable. I have seen more APs at this game as well as the other common poker variants in about 5-10 casino days of playing this than I did in months of counting and man, some people are so obvious.

This is terrible advice. Please do not do this and ruin the game for everyone. The only way to play is sitting straight up in your chair. If this doesn't work then it's not a play or you are not good enough.

Was playing the other day and got to chatting with another player...is it outside the realm of possibility that the house in general won't get militant about sharing card info, but in the event you get something big, they could review the tape and use that as an excuse to not pay?

You have to balance whether the risk is worth the reward of sharing. If there's any chance at all they might not pay I would not share because personally I don't even notice an edge in sharing.

Or maybe go verbal - that doesn't get picked up on the tapes does it?

I'd be more concerned about this on tribal land

This. And stop bouncing up and down immediately after the cards are dealt. And try not to be so obvious with your eye movements.

I hope this isn't keeping you up at night. The only possible scenario where I can see this even having a chance of mattering would be if you're at a struggling Indian casino who is manufacturing an excuse to not pay a royal. If this happened at any non-tribal casino you should jump for joy because you'd have a nearly ironclad lawsuit and would be able to ding the casino for 3x damages.

In any case, the only hand that makes a royal and where getting info from other players is useful would be exactly JTs. You should be autoraising all other suited broadway cards.

Haha the only thing that keeps me up nights about this game are the swings

I must be pretty bad at this game as I played with a dealer who was paying 2-1 on the ante every time a player made a straight and the dealer qualified, and I never made such a straight during two of his "downs".

Sitting straight up in my chair? LOL this is something that I have never done in a casino at any game. I know, I know, we should all have an army of 5 foot tall asians to spot for us. Good luck finding people in the AP community these days that won't steal and cheat at any opportunity though.

But in general I agree with these comments. As JG says if an anvil doesn't hit you in the head you're doing it wrong, and it is very rare that anything not incredibly obvious is going to make a bad game a good one anyway. There are games where getting very low is a prereq to make the game playable, but those are pretty rare given how this is usually dealt. Furthermore in Ultimate the strategy is not such that it is immediately obvious to an observer that you knew the dealer's card unlike in Stud. So it is possible to play a long time without blowing up a game if you play well.

With all that said, I think this will no longer be a viable method of advantage play within 1-2 years at the most. It is not the guys getting low that kill the games but big scores from AP teams combined with guys like Eliot Jacobson. In the northeast at least there are only a few casinos that take decent action on this without having countermeasures in place and generally the dealers are fairly well trained at these casinos. And I have seen way way more heat for big action in this game compared to BJ at the same store, probably as it should be.

No where near the edge here as MS Stud. Agree with IRS about heat. At some casinos, $50-$400 in bj = no heat where as green chip base bets in this game stir up sweaty glares.

That's probably just the result of moronic staff actually worrying about paying off a Royal, not concern over APs beating the game.

Hello my fiends..
sorry for my english..
One more huge advantage factor the the players in this game, is the fact that in some casinos you can easily see each others cards while playing together..
and after knowing all the rules how to play, the player's game mast be changed after this info.
for example , I have poket 77 , and knows that the others sevens are in my friends hands , should I rais pre flop?
or q high and all the aces are out...
who can help me with start calculating all thos options,,

thanks

Here is everything you are looking for:

http://discountgambling.net/2010/01/...-texas-holdem/

77 vs a random hand is still a 4x knowing your 7s are gone, especially with the (slim) possibility of trips on board for a bonus payout on the Ante.

Collusion alone isn't enough to produce a player edge, though; it just cuts down the house edge.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

dead cards: 77

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
77	58.99%	351,658	4,580
**	41.01%	243,762	4,580

You should really never worry about dead cards. Only rare exceptions like 33 when you see a 3....

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

dead cards: 3

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
33	48.52%	286,021	10,169
**	51.48%	303,810	10,169

Remember the mantra of hold 'em is "It's hard to make a pair". So that means it's hard to beat a pair. And when you have A2 they either have to have a better ace or make a pair. High card strength is paramount in showdown poker.

This is why an Ultimate Omaha table game would be awesome. And tilt inducing.

I got so killed in this game in Vegas over the weekend first two hands I played were FHs and then that was pretty much the end of everything. They don't have the Millionaire Make at Paris yet because they're apparently waiting for the progressive to pay off (currently 127k)

I believe that's a result of a Gaming regulation. Pretty sure it's illegal to remove a progressive from the floor until it's been hit. Think MGM has a $1 slot that's been there an eternity for this reason.

I would strongly advise against taking this advice. This game is brutal even for an experienced AP who knows the "optimal" strategy and is properly bankrolled (you'd be surprised at what a proper bankroll is for this game). Combine this with a lack of experience at this kind of game (don't take this the wrong way, but experienced players are not talking about stuff like this on public forums, and inexperience at this is almost guaranteed to result in seriously, costly errors), playing cover bets, and playing anything less than the close-to-optimal strategy, and you've got a big, dangerous waste of time on your hands.

If you're able to find games like this on a regular basis, I would instead suggest working on your networking. You'll learn better ways to approach situations like this, and that will prevent a lot of headaches later on down the road.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...54830486470944

Was unable to take a chance on that machine thanks to that article. There has been a line all week for it.

Bob Dancer brings up a good point regarding this machine. If we assume that it's a fair machine, then it's almost certainly +EV at this point. However, the fact that it hasn't hit yet does bring up the question of whether or not this machine is the victim (?) of a glitch that prevents it from ever paying out, in which case it is of course -EV.