Trip bettors would tend to benefit at the expense of main wager bettors by influencing the card distribution towards the bigger payout hands. This unintentionally increases the probability that the dealer has a good hand, which because of the structure of dealer vs player payouts reduces the player's overall expectation on the main wager.

The strategy is hyper aggressive and a little tough when one dealer card is known. But if you are hole carding the game you will also probably be seeing one flop card.

This game is unbeatable.

I don't know why advantage players would spend multiple pages explaining and arguing how to beat a soon unbeatable game on a high traffic website by money-motivated lurkers with above average intelligence.

Was playing this today when I made a 4x Play bet with ATs and the board was a total airball. The dealer had AQs, and paid my Play bet because she didn't qualify. I was all

Wait WAT? This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Placing a bet does not influence card distribution. Cards getting scooped up in "hand order" will not give you an advantage either.


One advantage to play is finding dealers that are sloppy in payouts. Most dealers suck at dealing UHE - many can not read hands properly.

This is simply untrue, as long as the game currently uses SM Ace or iDEAL shufflers and human dealers (though I've seen a table that largely does away with the latter). Beating it is, however, a question of ethics -- how much an individual is willing to angle shoot to gain an edge. Taking advantage of sloppy dealing and incorrect pays can lead to an enormous player edge.

There's a small Indian casino here with two superstar flashers (one hole card + flop, one hole card only) and three incorrect payers. All five are quite profitable to play against, and three have shifts that overlap. It's been six weeks since we first discovered the flaws, and apparently no audits have been done to shore up the weaknesses in their game.

Now, for those of us without "The Book", what sort of advantage should be our "cutoff point" for making a 4x raise? We've been playing mostly standard basic strategy, with variations in situations like when one of the dealer's hole card matches our own and is mathematically likely to be inferior to us (ex A9 vs AX, J4 vs 4X, etc.), 4x capping hands where we know we'll flop any pair (variation depending on kicker if the dealer's hole card will flop the same pair), and checking down/folding hands that should be standard raises where we know we're inferior (ex KQ vs AX) unless we draw out. Calling down where the exposed card doesn't qualify and is inferior to our hand has also been an added standard. Most things have been played by an obvious strategy. It's been profitable, but it feels like there's potentially a lot being left on the table...things like suited connectors/gappers that we know will flop a same-suit pivot card feel like they should maybe be played harder than they are, but I don't know where to begin on those. Anyone able to come up with a relatively quick-to-learn, easy-to-remember strategy based on a hole card + a flop card? We've thought about using the Trips side bet as cover, but that seems like it may lead to more heat than it actually covers -- scenarios like a made straight vs. a dealer we know boated on a double pair board where the correct play is to forfeit the ante/blind/play and only tuck under the Trips would look rather peculiar.

Or should I just be happy I've found a game that's already very profitable and not worry too much about trying to eek out a couple extra dollars a day?

I was shocked seeing how big some folks play this game (Planet Hollywood) with green and sometimes even black chip action. I was even more shocked at what they won't bet. Saw one guy not raise with A 6 - whatever, a lot of people don't raise with that. Flop was 6 5 2, he still doesn't bet, then finally puts the Play bet up when the turn/river complete the flush.

I've learned big bettors most of the time don't play games correctly. They bet relative to what gives them some excitement, just like low bankrolled players taking $100 to casino bet 5 to get excitement. They still screw up strategy. Probably just sit and wait for JJ+ or something before they raise, if that!

How about paying attn to the dealer's tells, wouldn't that make the game beatable?

lol what?

The one dealer I played with would say "I have j4" or whatever his cards were. Some people believed him too....


But the catch is that the dealer doesn't look at his hand until all cards and bets are out.

Has anyone played this at Hollywood Casino at Penn National?

They kind of shake their heads and smirk when they see I've gone 4x with some **** like K9o, what am I to infer from that?

That you are a crazy nut job and you don't know what you're doing. But you secretly smile inside knowing you are playing correctly while the world is still stupid. Just like at Blackjack tables haha.

That's pretty horrible. Good way to get ploppies pissed and put your job on the line.

It's also a great way to get players to suspect your game is crooked and end up on the receiving end of a gaming commission audit if you happen to guess right a couple too many times.

After a few hands they realize that he is just making it up.

One thing that does mess me up in this game is seeing the other players hole cards. Example is yesterday, i have kt off and usually 4x that. 4x is the right play. But the player to my left has kj and the player to my right has qt. Another player 3x it preflop (not sure what he had) so i pulled my 4x back. I hit a t and won. But seeing a lot of my outs gone made me just check and lose out on $50 with $25 bets.

According to Stephen How, a casino gaming math guru who rivals the Wizard of Odds, imo, changing preflop decisions based on your neighbors' cards is only worth it on the most marginal of raising hands. KTo is way too strong to be influenced by neighbors. Raise it all day. High card strength is definitely the number one factor in this game.

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Because really smart people are often very stupid

Internet forums about advantage gambling are proof positive of that. Some people just need to validate themselves I guess.

does anyone have graphs or actual figures from long term action?

Lol yeah. I've lost $500 every time I've played. Down about 50k this yr since I play the game twice a wk.

You use the raising strategy from the sites about? IE, q8o+, j8s+, etc or have your own? Any other changes to the strategies on later streets? Play bonus bets?

Played in Reno a few days ago. I continue to be amazed at how people don't bet their hands. It's one thing if you don't want to bet the bottom of the ranges, hell, I hate putting in 4x with K5o and the like, but not raising preflop with AQo?

Is there an opportunity here to buy people's action? Or is that one of those deep, dark secrets we're not supposed to discuss in public?

If anyone's interested, Peppermill and Silver Legacy use the 1.9% Trips paytable (with a progressive side bet at Silver Legacy) and Eldorado uses the 3.5% one (with the progressive side bet where you have to "buy credits" from the dealer and can side bet the dealer's hand as well). The latter is so byzantine, I hardly ever saw anyone play it.

Offtopic, you can always be friendly and encourage your tablemates to raise the hands they should. Nitty players will raise many very strong hands to 3x, and you should always be ready to jump in and complete the bet to 4x with your "lucky" chips.

Ps - beware of the crazies that raise hands like 67s though.

This is kinda similar to when blackjack players "double for less".