There's still plenty of weak dealers out there. Personal lesson learned though if you find a weak dealer and don't know the exact strategy you may be playing at a loss.

Example I have T 8 and know dealer has T . Do I 4X with a tiny PF edge?

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
th8h	50.11%	34,720,639	14,647,851
tc	49.89%	34,534,406	14,647,851

What about if we river a T but I don't get 2 pair, do I stay in at 1X? All I beat is a 2,5,6 kicker...

board: K347T

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
th8h	30.68%	12	3
tc	69.32%	29	3

I believe the proper strat is in CAA but I've never seen a copy or heard of anyone who has it.

Why are you in this thread?

Played a few hands w a break dealer last night who initially thought the flop was 2 cards. Had never seen that before.

Played last night on a random gambling boat dealer was paying out the ante all night when she didn't make a pair

I'm jelly.

I should note that I tried out the smaller blind bet for kicks and the break dealer (who opened the game oddly) mentioned above didn't notice it the 5 or so hands he dealt and it took the regular dealer the 3rd hand before he noticed (I folded the 1st hand on the river). I was a good boy after he spoke up but maybe I should've been more daring.

The pit boss watched roughly half the hands described and never seemed to notice either.

Makes me think I've been playing this game far to "conservatively".

I would just feel too awkward about doing this.

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Also, I'm not a regular B&M poker player by any stretch, but in the time since I've started playing UTH, I've gotten 3 royals while playing hold'em in the cardroom.

So i was pleasantly surprised to find this game being offered at Parx Casino in Bensalem, PA which is about an hour closer then Atlantic City from where I live.

The first two sessions I played there on Friday I couldn't lose cashed out $1,500+ in profit. I then returned again on Monday and bought in for $500. Table minimum was $5 up to $100 max. Anyway I managed to double my money up to $1k playing basic strategy: raising any ace, suited kings, q6s+ and j8s+. Every once in a while I would increase my bets to $25 up to $50 sometimes I'd win other times I wouldn't. My $1k in green chips did slowly shrink to $250 with one dealer after 5 hands! Sure I was betting $25 in all three spots but still I couldn't win a hand for the life of me. I did manage to grind back up to $1k again only to lose it all back.

Wandered around a bit got some food played some roulette ( bad idea ) and then decided to return to UTH with a $100 buy-in. Now from playing this game I know that $100 is really not much even on a $5 minimum table I think a good amount to buy in would be 40x minimum bet. Anyway long story short I get my $100 up to $850 still by just playing my usual game basic strategy and taking some shots with bigger bets. I decide to bet the table max and put in $100 on three spots only to get some garbage hand which I'm forced to fold. Next hand I once again decide to go all in because getting late and I'm tired and win or lose I wanted it to end. So I bet $75 on all three spots and go 3x after seeing K4. The flop is a beautiful A95 turn A river J. The dealer flips over 9Q So close to winning $1,200. But I think I made the right decision. Then again going all-in twice when I had $500+ to play with seems kind of foolish? It would probably been better had I just played basic strategy betting the minimum and slowly building up my stack rather then taking a shot by going all in with everything I had.

Returned to Parx casino and ended up losing $700. I hate this game. :-(

Played once during the WSOP and dealer paid me with 82o on JT87X when I had A7. That felt good.

There was a dealer at Bellagio who was probably the best dealer I've ever seen in this game and I'm 100% sure he was paying players when he shouldn't have because they were tipping a bunch.

Sounds dangerous to career prospects, but I don't really know how "mistakes" actually affect them.

Speaking anecdotally, I've lately had to correct waaaay more dealer errors in favor of the house than errors they make in favor of the player (which I never correct). It's caused me to call into question one of my playing practices, which is to wait until I get a 4x hand to play and go to the restroom.

Oh that's crazy. The farthest i will walk is to the bar.

You walk away from your max bet in a game that you primarily play to take advantage of dealer error?

Seriously? I suspect you're trolling but don't get that either ...

Not trolling and I play for entertainment (not an AP by any stretch)

this game is gold

had a dealer the other night that made a loooot of mistakes, me and my friends were beating the casino seriously, paid us when he shouldnt multiple times, counterfeited 2 pairs, higher ace high, etc.

this is miles better then roulette

What about Heads Up Holdem (with pocket pair bonus)

Was at Bay 101 waiting for a poker seat and saw that they've installed this game in the California games section. They also use what I will dub the "San Jose Rules" which are also used at M8trix and are the worst ever (base game and Trips are considered separate wagers, so it's $1/$100 fee for each bet) flush pays 6-5 on the Blind. At least they use the 1.9% Trips paytable...how generous!

Just got back from Vegas with the lady and played UTH with her for about 10 hours total. Made about $1500 between the two of us, with us betting $5 about 3/4 of the time, and $10 the other 1/4. We bet the bonus maybe a dozen times or so (well, SHE bet it).

Plenty of dealer mistakes, including being able to see one of the dealer's hole cards for maybe 20% of the dealers.

I was consistently able to bet 2x instead of 1x on the river when hitting some kind of hand, and was called out only literally once for it. I didn't necessarily do it every time I could have, though, if I felt like the pit was watching the table closely or something I would pass on the opportunity. But this has to swing the game into +EV territory, no?

Would it be possible for someone to calculate just how much this is worth to do? Obviously, one would not want to 2x the river if they're only staying in to protect the ante and blind bets in marginal spots (eg betting 62 on KT876 board) but I felt like the opportunity came up probably ten times per hour.

With a consistent opportunity like this, it would also call for changing strategy a bit. When hitting the flop but only marginally, it would now be worth it to wait until the river to 2x if that strength still was there, but only put out 1x if it's a scary runout.

What made it even easier is that at a few places, their policy is to arrange the cards after dealing out the whole board but before revealing their hole cards into order of strength (like if the board is 5T7A5, they'll rearrange to 55AT7) so that it's easier to figure out everyone's hands. But by doing this, it's harder for them to recreate the run out, so when you have nothing going into the turn/river and then you end up making 2 pairs or a flush or something, there is nothing suspicious about your 2x bet.

Also was able to 4x bet after the flop many times, although this is a riskier move, but definitely easier to do when putting out a $20 bet on a 5 ante, than a $40 on a 10.

I know it's not the most moral thing in the world, but man, it's such a good opportunity.

lol. its not cheating if you don't get caught?

I have seen quite a few dealers make mistakes in games such as 4-card and bonus hold'em. I actually had a dealer give me a free bet in Baccarat by accident.

As for making a career on deal mistakes, I think It'd be pretty hard as they usually don't last long and are limited to low-mins.

I think you need to watch some more of those Vegas cheaters exposed episodes to figure out what cheating is. You know, the ones where they show guys past posting on roulette and they get tackled by security and arrested....

Just watched a guy at my local room get cuffed and hauled off for this four days ago. Trying this at a game where the betting is so structured is asking for trouble.

And you're not just taking chances and passing when you don't get caught. Once you get caught, they will rewind and you are caught on all the times you cheated.

But maybe they are just that terrible.

Been playing this game a fair amount lately. Stations progressive is at 17.5k at t h e moment. In my opinion, playing the "optimal" way is a double edged sword. My typical bet is 10 or 15 on trips and 5 and 5 below. I stick to more premium hands when it comes to pre flop 3 or 4 Xing. I know the way I play is more gambling than grinding but if you think about in terms of value I believe it's either run good or don't. Hitting trips or better is how you make money here. I really prefer to see the flop and obv want to hit nice.

The way I look at it is a hand like AQ sooted is a favorite over random hand yes. But if you are playing this game to get that hand or similar so you can max raise dealer and make your money there that is a huge grind. Would have to think black Jack would make more sense.

After the flop you can still 2x and protect your bets. Say you have 10 on trips and 5 and 5 below. You get AQ of hearts. You play "not optimal" and check pre. Flop comes 678 spades. Check. One more spade and a Q comes. Now you can protect your other bets for 5 bux. Dealer has spade or two pair you lose or you win and pretty much break even(cuz trips lost) unless they don't qualify. They might put two spades on board and you hit flush. I truly think minimizing losses while waiting for the nice payout is best way to approach it.

Not trying to say it's the right way but to just lol at players that don't 4x because their holdings beat a random hand is foolish. I think this because the dealer has no decisions so their holdings only matter after flop turn and river. I have hit more quads with rag hands and board ran out in my favor. Again my reason for playing cautiously pre flop is because blackjack would probably be a better way to grind than waiting for K8 sooted to try and hold vs dealer random hand. No idea why anyone would want to play this game without playing trips and trying for progressive. The best part about this game is being able to see allstreets cheap. Getting paid up top is why I play. dont get me wrong I do bet pre flop I am just a bit tighter than what wizard of odds says. Oh and if you have AQ and hit royal doubt you give a **** if you raised it up pre... Flame away

No need to flame. You're obviously playing for fun, so enjoy the gamble. Hope you win the progressive and post a picture of yourself with a giant check.