But if he's playing $100+ a hand on all 3 spots, he's could care less about his likely expected loss, he's probably playing because he wants the rush that comes with winning a big jackpot. Pretty good chance he doesn't understand what the sign means in regards to his bet sizes.

And pretty LOL that casinos can even do such a thing.

Dealer is a newbie that is taking forever and making minor errors
I bet $25 ante.
dealer deals the cards but makes some kind of error in dealing her own two cards.
Hard to tell what she did wrong but it didnt look right.
I bet pre flop with J 10.
dealer turns cards.
I hit a straight.
dealer has trips.

the guy across from me complains.
Pit comes over and declares this a dead hand.
I complain. I did nothing wrong. I should get paid for my win.
Not my fault if a rookie dealer dealt the hand wrong.
I lose the argument and $150 in winnings.

the goof who complained also hit a straight!
what an idiot.

Ugh, even giving the appearance of free rolling the players is such a terrible call on the casino's part.

If the casino is under a gaming commission there is a decent chance you could have gotten paid if you pushed the issue. Though it's hard to say without knowing what the vague dealer error was.

That also pissed me off.
I asked them to have a look at the video.
They tell me they did.
A guy comes down and says she dealt herself the wrong cards but he couldn't tell me exactly how she did that.
If you can't tell me then I don't believe you.

Finally had my first "quads on the board" hand...of the 4 players, the one with the largest TWBB bet was the only one that pushed the dealer's hand

TWBB?

Two-way bad beat...it's a sucker side bet (or psychological protection).

Link to Stephen How's analysis

"Psychological protection" - I like that.

Seriously, I'm not an AP, but enjoy playing the game, so an extra $0.25 tax with a potential large payoff is very whatever.

Similar to the above discussion, tho, this particular place will pay a max $25k/spot so the people that bet $5 on this bet are going to be very disappointed when they have a bad beat straight flush and get $25k instead of 50.

I've seen Vegas casinos post that they will pay a max of $25k seat at PGP which is pretty unfair IMO if you're going to require a $5 fortune bet to gain envy. Max payout there should be min $50k.

they don't have that where I play.

That's great! If they don't offer it, you won't be tempted to play it!

Was just introduced to this game a few days ago, watched other people play for the first time last night. The actual house edge on this based on how joe sixpack plays has to be somewhere north of 25%.

As I enjoy degenning this game for small stakes, trying to find weak dealers doesn't interest me that much, but what I do wonder is, if you develop a rapport with one or more neighbors, and they let you put the last nickel on their 3x bet because they're afraid to 4x, how many times would you need to do that before you overcome the 2.2% HE?

Probably impossible to know unless you're a programmer and have a hand simulator. Basically you lose 48% on the Ante and Blind but gain back 45.8% on the PLAY bet. So, the player has a huge edge on every PLAY bet however a lot of that edge is realized with very strong hands such as pairs, trips, straights, flushes, post flop and probably not so much in the super marginal spots like A2 preflop. And your most likely opportunities to top up someone's 3X is going to be those marginals they don't want like A5s.

I think in general, the range is much narrower than that, unfortunately, because most people aren't putting in 3x with A5s. It would be something like KTs-KQs, maybe KQo, ATs-AKs, AJo-AKo, 77-QQ, possibly some other royal flush combos like QJs, but definitely not JTs.

If your neighbor is raising 10% of the time they will be roughly a 2:1 favorite over a random hand. Capping their bet will get you 1/3 of a unit one time in ten which would be worth 3-3.5%. It looks like a decent way to play with a small advantage to me. Even better if you can talk them into raising more often.

So much focus on sloppy dealers, but what about sloppy players? Hands are out, you're at 1B and have a checking hand (and have already checked), and someone in later position is hemming and hawing. Dealer is about to turn the flop and player says, "Wait!" and starts cutting out chips, causing the dealer to stop after partially exposing the flop.

You see that you will make a pair, is it standard to now 4x? Does it matter if it's 2s or 3s or ??

Recently saw a woman who was adamantly folding 4th pair/bottom pair hands on the end with no scare board. "I'll only play face cards." Is this real life? She would have lost both hands where I saw this done, and this place doesn't pull the dealer's hand out of the CSM until all player actions are completed.

lol so she didn't just have a good read?

i have seen this once fwiw.

Just FYI, played in a few places in Vegas last weekend and the game is the same pretty much everywhere except:
- Caesars still has a progressive that will switch to MM once it's paid off.
- SLS is the only place I saw that had the 1.9% 8-6-5 Trips schedule. Game there is hand-dealt if that means anything to you
- A few of the PHo dealers will disallow (or at least chide you for it) card-sharing

Saw a guy actively cheating - well, he wasn't past-posting or anything, but he was consistently betting $10 on ante and $5 on blind. Dealers were inconsistent about correcting him, but every time they did, he said, "Oh, OK" and would bet correctly for maybe one or two hands after that. Then he would return to the 10-5 betting.

I only saw him make as much as a flush doing this, and they paid him 7.50 (so 3-2 on what he had bet) so presumably if he had hit the royal, he would have gotten 2500 instead of 5000 but who knows.

How much is this move worth?

My intuition says that the 10-5 move should be very profitable for the player but impossible to know how much without simulating the game. The guys behind wizard of odds or apheat should be able to give a solid number with a few keystrokes I imagine.

[ ] impossible

Player has a +3.71% ROI on the game when making a .5x blind bet.

Yeah I realize now that wizard of odds probably has enough data to figure it out fairly easily.

So....who is correct?

3.7% or 13.5%

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl.../7/#post442797

13.5% is profit per ante aka ******ed

3.7% is profit per unit put at risk aka relevant