You keep using this word "fool" in your posts and I have to admit that I am not convinced that it means what you think it means.

I thought that we had already established that anyone who gambles in an online casino against a computer that has been programed to beat them and take their money IS a fool.

Even if the game were theoretically beatable rigging is too easy when the game is controlled by software. How much is the question.

Yes all online casinos are rigged. The games are designed for the house to win and the player to lose. They tell you this in the rules of the game.


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And you seem to believe they feel a need to limit their gains to the rules they specify. If this were true why base themselves in jurisdictions that often charge more in exchange for rules that prevent them from having severe adverse consequences if they are committing fraud?

Possible sarcasm aside, basically all games offered to the general public are "rigged" by that definition. The point being if a casino makes it appear (intentionally or not) that a game can be beat, but nobody beats it, then IMO that would be a reasonable definition of riggage.

I recall playing BJ at the Las Vegas Club, with fairly liberal rules. Yet I knew of no APs who played there, and they were the only casino in LV who had high and low card discard trays. Not saying it was rigged but I had my suspicions.

That's basically all casino games.

Poker is rigged for the majority of players. They will never beat the games. Rigged gg give up poker and be a garbage man instead

Except some people beat casino games, albeit a shrinking %

You just shot down the OP's referred claim quite well. Add to that thrid-party certification of card dealing RNGs.

The house does NOT need to win more than it should. It wins based upon the edge built into the rules of the game, which win rate can be realized by dealing fairly. That is how all floor games can turn a profit, honestly, online or live.

Variance tho.

That, plus stiffing APs.

I showed messing with RNGs was stupid, because riggage can be a lot easier.

The law of large numbers states that an observed sample average from a large sample will be close to the true average and that it will get closer the larger the sample.

This means that when you play tens of millions of games with a mesurable advantage, like an online casino does, variance almost ceases to exist and in the long run can be ignored.

First, we are talking about bad actors who have no interest in understanding the law of large numbers. Second, their understanding of variance is probably at a level that precludes them from risking loss, if opportunity presents itself. Additionally, if they have opportunity to create an illusion of a +EV game that will increase earn, then they likely will take advantage of that as well.

There is no reason to put any faith in bad actors who can control outcomes.

Not smart enough to understand math. Smart enough to rig a game so evidence of the rig is undetectable. A rare combo.

I guess the bad actors running the show might know enough to design rigged software, but they almost certainly contract it out.

I don't see guys like SBF sitting behind computer screens all day writing code.

Implementing bots to throw off the #s is probably fairly easy.

It surprises me how so many here put so much faith in bad actors doing bad things, at huge scale. The VW riggage was in the billions. And the guys calling the shots were not programmers.

Life is rigged.

psuedo random generaters are not random that is proven. The fact all book makers block any winners is also proven. Like wise Betfare also "taxs" anyone who makes over 250,00 per year. And lastly hackers can rig any game of any site if they so wish; there is no know means of protecting an online site even google has to run constant hacks on itself to keep afloat (fuzzing). So I agree playing online is not safe and if they can deny serve they can obviously interfer with any part of their operation, because the customer has waived his rights; Like the terms of serve of your blog sites; they can delete your account and data for any reason or no reason!

Few dare to say it but +1

Two possibilities, which is more likely?

1. Multibillion dollar company develops a system for processing players’ bets on a game that is inherently favorable to the company allowing the company to basically print money by running the game honestly and make multiple millions in profits every year without any real risk or violation of any laws or regulations. Therefore they run the game as honestly as possible.

2. Multibillion dollar company develops a system for processing players’ bets ona game favorable to the company, but since they can make a few tens of thousands extra profits off of high rollers playing the game, at the risk of being shut down and losing their multiple million dollar profits, being fined or possibly having corporate leadership imprisoned, they set up a system to rig the games in order to increase the profit by a couple of percent vs what they could make by just running it honestly.

I don’t know whether they rig games or not, but one of those sounds much more plausible than the other, doesn’t it?

I won't comment on whether or not any online casinos are rigged (meaning programmed to win more than normal house edge for a given game). I will provide some evidence from my own play on one particular site.

On Chumba Casino if they award you sweeps coins (their currency, and 1 SC = $1) you need to wager 1 for each 1 that they give you, before you can withdraw (their terminology is redeem). About a week ago I was credited with 910 sweeps coins, so I planned to wager that amount at blackjack and track results. I played mostly for only $1 or $2 hands, with a few of $3, very few of $5 and 1 of $10.

Checking the Wizard of Odds house edge calculator, the rules they use give them approximately a .5% house edge against basic strategy. I ended up wagering 913 for a total loss of 10 - just about a 1% loss rate, and well within the range I would have expected. Since then, I've probably wagered about 200, and actually won about 15, but I haven't tracked that as closely so I'm probably off on both numbers. But I'd say it is likely that for the total amount wagered, I'm actually ahead a small amount.

Does this prove that they are legitimate? Of course not, but it sure doesn't give me any reason to suspect anything fishy is going on.

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the linked site tracks bad actors among online casinos and provides some commentary


https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

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Well, VW is a multi billion $ company who tried to gain an advantage cheating when they clearly did not need to take on that risk.

Your assumption that people trying to make money think in a way that they don't consider or try underhanded ways to gain an advantage is probably flawed.

Obviously not everyone is trying to cheat, but to say 100% are not trying or considering it is naive at best.

Any computer that isn't mine is presumed rigged. Unless you're dealing with an operator licensed in someplace like Nevada. There was a notorious case where somebody hacked a memory chip and made a VP machine run rogue code. NV Gaming now reverse-engineers machine code.

Neither Wynn, Golden Nugget nor Caesars is going to risk the golden goose.