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08-06-2016 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
They rate you on your average bet size. Yes they track what you win or lose, but your comped on the average bet.
They rate your average bet size, but your average comp is based on your EV loss (which I think is basically the same as ADT), and it will generally be a quarter of this loss in expectation. Playing both sides of baccarat will guarantee that your EV loss is equal to your actual loss, but then you are also guaranteeing that your comp will only be a quarter of your actual loss.

It is my understanding that some casinos will overcomp some games. E.g. They will comp a blackjack game at an inferred 1.5% edge when playing basic strategy is actually only a 0.5% edge; or they will comp all video poker the same regardless of pay table. But I can't imagine this is true of baccarat, since the house edge is so obvious and consistent.
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08-07-2016 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish
roulette has better comps anyway, just bet red/black with your buddy

100% no risk guarantee
There's absolutely risk. What happens when 0 or 00 hit? You lose it all
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08-07-2016 , 03:58 PM
nah bro how often that's gonna happen like 1 in 100 chance or something
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08-08-2016 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish
nah bro how often that's gonna happen like 1 in 100 chance or something
2/however many numbers are on the wheel. So it will happen more often than you think.
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08-08-2016 , 09:31 AM
yeah for you maybe but I only play on wheels that recently hit zeros and the chance of them coming twice or three in a row is like one in millions
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08-08-2016 , 11:02 AM
You realize that the chance of a number hitting again doesn't decrease because it just hit. The odds are still 1 in whatever of it hitting or 2 in whatever for the O 00
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08-08-2016 , 11:19 AM
well that's like your opinion mang
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08-08-2016 , 11:24 AM
That's not an opinion. That's called the factual odds of the game. Excuse me while I block you so I don't have to read anymore of this nonsense
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08-08-2016 , 12:09 PM
yeah okay you just can't handle the truth
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08-08-2016 , 12:19 PM
Poor Vegas doesn't realize he's being trolled lol.
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08-08-2016 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
They rate your average bet size, but your average comp is based on your EV loss (which I think is basically the same as ADT), and it will generally be a quarter of this loss in expectation. Playing both sides of baccarat will guarantee that your EV loss is equal to your actual loss, but then you are also guaranteeing that your comp will only be a quarter of your actual loss.

It is my understanding that some casinos will overcomp some games. E.g. They will comp a blackjack game at an inferred 1.5% edge when playing basic strategy is actually only a 0.5% edge; or they will comp all video poker the same regardless of pay table. But I can't imagine this is true of baccarat, since the house edge is so obvious and consistent.
This is all accurate, or at least was the last time I was able to fact check it.

They usually gave blackjack comps using a 2% edge; back when games were 3:2 S17 it was quite possible to break even playing BS and with a small spread like 1:2 or just Wonging out on negative counts, you could have infinite longevity.

It was also easier to manipulate the system, it was the pit boss's job to estimate your average play, if you bet 75% 1 unit and 25% 2 units, you would get estimated at an average bet of 1.5-2 units. Coupled with a few bathroom breaks to lower your hands/hr, some claimed you could profit from BS alone.

Over the past 20 years as casinos became more corporate, they've tended to realign comp levels with measurable metrics. Also basic strategy guides are far more available and I wouldn't be surprised if the actual hold from blackjack is closer to the theoretical EV.
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08-19-2016 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish
nah bro how often that's gonna happen like 1 in 100 chance or something
lol chances of landing on 0 or 00 is actually 2 in 38...but go ahead and play black and red with your buddy for a "100% guaranteed comps"...
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08-19-2016 , 02:33 AM
yeah another "math" player salty that he got destroyed by roulette

I know MY numbers fam
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08-24-2016 , 05:39 PM
The way comps work in Vegas for the most part these days, is they want "hours" of action. It's not about how much you play for, but for how long you play for.

I believe OP stated they wanted free rooms, that's easy to get. Sign up for the players card and be sure to use it for everything you play. Machines to tables etc. Get two cards.

If you are playing a machine and someone is next to you that doesn't have a card in the machine, ask if they mind if you put yours in. It's rare someone says no and if they ask why, just tell them you need to reach a point quota and you appreciate their help. Works like a charm.

You'll get offers via e-mail, via the mail for free rooms and tournaments all the time going forward.

Comps on the tables are harder because they don't give them out as they once did. Now a days they have shareholders to answer to and they can't flow the goods like they once did. However, if you ask, they will tell you what you qualify for if anything, if you don't meet their quota ask what they are looking for and then decide if losing a few hundred is worth a meal.

Don't ask, they don't give. You don't have to be a pest or pushy, just ask with a smile and be human about it. Sometimes that will win someone over to make up for the guy/gal that lost a wad and never asked.
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08-28-2016 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sally Utley
The way comps work in Vegas for the most part these days, is they want "hours" of action. It's not about how much you play for, but for how long you play for.

I believe OP stated they wanted free rooms, that's easy to get. Sign up for the players card and be sure to use it for everything you play. Machines to tables etc. Get two cards.

If you are playing a machine and someone is next to you that doesn't have a card in the machine, ask if they mind if you put yours in. It's rare someone says no and if they ask why, just tell them you need to reach a point quota and you appreciate their help. Works like a charm.

You'll get offers via e-mail, via the mail for free rooms and tournaments all the time going forward.

Comps on the tables are harder because they don't give them out as they once did. Now a days they have shareholders to answer to and they can't flow the goods like they once did. However, if you ask, they will tell you what you qualify for if anything, if you don't meet their quota ask what they are looking for and then decide if losing a few hundred is worth a meal.

Don't ask, they don't give. You don't have to be a pest or pushy, just ask with a smile and be human about it. Sometimes that will win someone over to make up for the guy/gal that lost a wad and never asked.
The bolded is unequivocally false.
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08-28-2016 , 04:13 PM
more like total amount wagered, the more u wager the more they comp
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08-28-2016 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TS2
more like total amount wagered, the more u wager the more they comp
Although some places won't even track your play below a minimum threshold so 20 hours of betting $5 per hand is not necessarily equal to 1 hour of betting $100 per hand.
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08-28-2016 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
If you want big comps play big bac with a partner, bet opposites, pretend not to know each other, and you willl be way ahead in comps after paying your commission.



this is the furthest from the truth. Blackjack is not a super easy game to beat. Even if you are 100% accurate using the most advanced count in the world, the swings and variance in BJ is quite high (even when playing only high positive shoes or decks).

fwiw this belongs in "other casino games"
Also if the OP wants to continue to play at this casino, might not be a good idea to get backed off playing blackjack
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