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Old 05-08-2017, 03:34 AM   #101
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Guys how ****ing hard is it to understand that you can't win at this game?
I feel like that's a pretty small number ITT. But baccarat players by nature are absurdly illogical.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:53 PM   #102
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For that matter and with actual rules you can't win at every other game either with very rare exceptions.

About illogical players, I'm astonished to see how many idiots keep playing double zero roulettes or joining WSOP tourneys, for example.
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Old 05-09-2017, 04:45 AM   #103
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Guys how ****ing hard is it to understand that you can't win at this game?
You can though
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:51 AM   #104
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You can get lucky though
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Old 05-13-2017, 01:18 PM   #105
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Wonder how if anyone has gotten backed off from baccarat besides Phil Ivey...
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:54 PM   #106
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Wonder how if anyone has gotten backed off from baccarat besides Phil Ivey...
Lots of people have
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Old 05-21-2017, 06:02 PM   #107
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For winning too much? That's like saying that you got backed off from winning to much on slot machines.


On another note, didn't know our new casino has $1,000 chips. I might have to check this place out over Memorial Day weekend:

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Old 07-11-2017, 08:53 PM   #108
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A ne bacc house just opened south of the Seatac airport

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Old 07-14-2017, 09:09 PM   #109
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Wonder how if anyone has gotten backed off from baccarat besides Phil Ivey...
They have but you have to be kind of dumb to get that greedy. Packer was probably the most famous example before Ivey.

A lot of high-rollers figured out you could win by getting good rebate deals and keeping your sessions short. The "you can't win at bac" BS you read in the literature is about as far off-base as you can imagine, it is really trivial for a wealthy individual to get an edge. For many years the high-roller who didn't chain himself to the table had a small edge off the top.

Of course this doesn't justify pseudo-scientific approaches based on progressions or trending or other bull****. Though personally It is as boring to me to listen to people debunk that stuff than it is to listen to people develop the dumb theories in the first place. So it doesn't work-do you think that crowd is going to listen to you?

There's a lot of literature stating you can't count cards at bac, which is not really true. What is true is that a linear count system won't get you an edge by itself. But, it doesn't need to-you already have an edge with rebates/short sessions. Even 0.25% edge is a lot where you are betting 100K or whatever. With a 0.25-0.5% edge there's too much random noise to get made in any reasonable time frame.

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Old 11-10-2017, 12:08 AM   #110
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Have to chime in regarding this thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-game-1694839/

Somehow, I can't post in that thread.

Anyways, I was there, like 1 table over. Must've been a full moon or something because like 2 hours earlier security had to throw another guy out and the guy that got thrown out and the MOD almost got in a brawl with each other. Good thing they had security close by...

I play baccarat next door to where this happened BTW...
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Old 11-26-2017, 01:16 AM   #111
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Given those attitudes, I would change cardroom.
In Vegas one would think ten times before saying "fk you" to another person, let alone to raise the hands.
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Old 11-27-2017, 12:47 AM   #112
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The MOD that was involved in the altercation earlier to "Assaulted at live game" thread seems like he got demoted to table games dealer...
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:39 AM   #113
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Flip a coin. And, don't.
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:44 PM   #114
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I'd like to get into Baccarat. I've been playing cards for years but never actually tried it. I'm not even sure my regular online casino offers it but if they do I might give it a go.

Would be helpful if I could hear 1 bit of advice on how to play from each of you! I always find hearing from players is better than reading a how-to guide online.
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Besides the low house edge, baccarat is a game full of traps and very very few seasoned players can get the best of it in the long run.

Forget online games, mainly because many cards are cut off from the play.
There are no foolproof winning systems even though plenty of internet sites are telling you this.

Baccarat is not an endless succession of independent coin flips, actually you are simply wagering about an actual card distribution every single shoe will provide.
Rules dictate to get more Banker hands than Player hands by a 1.36% edge shifted to the Banker but this feature taken alone can't be of any help.
Since Banker winning bets will be cut by a 5% vig, itlr always betting Banker will give you a 1.06% loss of your bets.
If you play "no commission baccarat" tables (EZ tables), house edge on B bets will be lowered to 1.01%.

In reality itlr almost no one player will lose around 1% of the total amount wagered, he/she will lose a lot more.

Why?
Because bac losing players apply a bad money management in the effort to break even, forgetting the random nature of the game that will approximate all expected values only in the long run.

Seen from the other side, the worst player any house could face is represented by a player regularly wagering the maximum bet allowed on B and P as such player will mathematically lose the exact expected amount but reduced by the huge comps he is entitled to get. Not mentioning some side benefits as a percentage cut of his possible losses.
This player will surely lose less than the entitled 1.06% or 1.24% without the risk of applying a bad MM in the worst situations.

This is true just for a possible "no brainer" player as counting cards will get any acute player a sure mathematical edge.

E. Jacobsen and other authors (including our team) have demonstrated that counting cards at baccarat will get a nearly cumulative 5.5% average advantage on certain side bets.
I'm referring to Fortune 7 bets (dragon bonus), Panda bonus, Dragon bonuses, ties and pairs bet.

Here I'm not talking about the intricate issues regarding the asymmetrical hand actual probability (enhancing or not the Banker hand appearance in relation of the remaining deck composition) but on the simple registration of the cards burnt.

The game offers a multitude of betting options and no betting situations (we can bet whenever and whatever we want) that it's almost impossible to NOT select the situations where our bets will be EV+.

It's a difficult task but it can be done.
Providing a lot of study and experience.

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Old 12-07-2017, 09:15 PM   #115
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At this game the best bets to get an edge are offered by wagering the side bets.
By 100% accuracy, there's no one single side bet not vulnerable to card counting.

The totality of known literature works had considered side bets individually, stating that many side bets mostly are offering very dluted EV+ values (the only partial exception publicized was Jacobsen approach about simultenously counting fortune-7s and panda-8s).

Actually every single card distribution offers plenty of opportunities to get or not a simultaneous cumulative edge on the various side bets offered at the table.
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