Some unions do ban winning players over a significant sample size, for a number of reasons. For example, it makes security cheaper and easier. But mostly, it gives the club a "safe" place for recs to play without feeling like they might be getting sharked. It's part of their business model to be as friendly as possible to recs and to keep them playing for as long as possible, paying the house rake over a long period of time instead of getting stacked by winning players and leaving the games sooner.

Overall, winning players are viewed in a negative light by people in the ClubGG space - this is less true for other apps. On the other hand, some unions are quite friendly to regs as long as they rake decently and don't belong to an overall winning downline which would be indicative of a stable or team.

I'm admittedly confused by your question at the end. A club full of fish is a desirable place to play regardless of whether you're a recreational. If you're a recreational player, you will be in good company with fellow gamblers. If you're a for-profit player, your win rate will increase.

I am a winning player (only slightly) but have never been banned. I have been limited by Massiv after about 20k hands though, indicating that their security team could brush up on poker math.

Is there a way I can contact you privately?

You're a skilled writer, organ man.

So can you clarify, in broad terms, how the rake gets divvied up?


Say I generated 100$ rake in the week and I get 15% of that, how much of the remainder goes to the agent, club, platform? Roundabout...

You could DM me here or find me on the internet, but if you have a question or need help with a specific situation I'm sure just posting here would be better.

Thanks for the compliment. I've definitely had to improve my wordsmith skills a lot over the course of these degrees, through necessity...

The answer to your question varies greatly, depending on the situation. But here's what I would consider a "standard" deal - I would estimate that half or more of all deals are structured somewhat like this:

Union: takes 10%
Club owner: takes 90%, and shares it as follows:
Superagent: 70%
Agent: 55%
Player: 0%-50%. Whales get more and regs get less.

Often, any entity at the level of SA or lower will be on what we call a "sliding scale." For example, in one union, if my guys generate 1k or less in a week, I get 65%, 1k-2k is 70%, and 2k+ is 80% (or thereabouts, I'm not reporting the numbers exactly.)

Me either. But to each their own.

What are your thoughts on running a rake free app game for legal purposes building up a player base then selling it to someone who will charge rake?

Accused of using a BOT



I play in GGclub and cashed last night. I think the owners just didn’t want to pay me so they accused me of using a bot. Any way to disprove this to them?? We were playing PLO on the GGapp and the swings are so crazy in PLO. how the hell would someone even be able to use any type of bot at this game 🤷🏻*♂️ Any advice would be great. I want to get my money

So me and my partner are currently in smaller union, just trying to build up our action. Across bonuses, security deposit, and other expenses we seem to be tight for money. We are thinking about trying to "club hop" in order to climb up with better action. We have some smaller stake players, but are doing through growing pains. Any advice is very much appreciated.

We have been proposed with the opportunity to join a seemingly established and trusted union. Like most of course it requires a security deposit that is just a touch out of reach. Do you suggest getting the funds to join that union and plan to be there long term? I feel like that would give me the best opportunity to grow my club with games running 24/7 and taking a lot of the work load off of the sole owner. Thanks

Not a good plan IMO. Who is the buyer to say the players won't notice the rake change then leave saying they were bait and switched? Deals and schemes like this never work. Just run a normal game and be transparent with everyone.

They are scumming you. Figure out who is in charge of the union and tell them. Call them out here if you want, too.

They are scumming you. Figure out who is in charge of the union and tell them. They should be able to withhold funds from that agent. Call them out here if you want, too.

Judging by what you've said it sounds like you should be running a superagency, not a full club in the union.

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You can PM me but if you have a question that would be beneficial to others here, go for it!

Hey!

I read your insights about poker clubs and found them really valuable-thanks for sharing! I wanted to reach out because I'm in a bit of a similar situation and could use some advice.

Recently, I've been playing in a GGClub that a friend of mine opened. The club has around 70 players, and I've recruited 5-6 of them, including two high-stakes players. One of them consistently generates 5-10k in rake weekly. Despite this, I'm only receiving 5-10% of the rake, and the club owners aren't willing to offer me a better deal. (The rake itself is 5% and rake back 50% to the players)

I've been thinking about starting my own club with a partner. We have a base of about 15 trustworthy players, and I believe this could grow as people bring friends. However, we're concerned about sustainability and whether just relying on "friends bringing friends" is enough to keep the games running consistently.

Would you have any advice for someone starting out in this space Alternatively, would you be open to potentially cooperating If you're interested, I'd love for you to check out the games we have in the current club. The games only run at night but are full of action-stakes vary between 1/2 and 5/10, with games ranging from Hold'em to PLO and PLO5.

I'm in a club with good traffic on pokerbros. At $20 - $60 stakes should I be worried about bots or collusion? Is it a thing where in a popular club you'd say someone runs into bots or collusion 5% or less of sessions? Or is it higher than that? If yes what % would you guess?

Tyvm.