07-13-2024 , 07:04 AM

Hi, I'm new to using Hand2Note and am learning how to use some poker software in general. I have created a filter to see how I am coping when I call 3bets and am confused whether these two statistics circled in red show if I am profiting from my actions or not. I have a (heavily) negative amount won but a slightly positive action profit - would anyone be able to tell me what these numbers are?

Thank you,
Chris
07-15-2024 , 03:03 AM
Hello,

Action Profit of a specific action in a specific hand equals the difference between our stack size at the end of the hand and our stack size right before the action. In other words, it equals amount of money our stack size receives until the end of the hand. If we fold then our stack size will be the same until the end of the hand and therefore Action Profit of fold is always zero.

Regarding Won it refers to winning all chips starting from the beginning of the hand.

It could be. A simple example of 2 hands:
Pot on the river is 100 (we put 50 in), opponent bets 50, we call 50 and win, Action profit +150, AmountWon +100.
Pot on the river is 100 (we put 50 in), opponent bets 60, we call 60 and lose, Action profit -60, AmountWon -110.
As a result Action profit +90, AmountWon -10.

You can find details of how Action Profit is calculated on the old site:
https://hand2note3.hand2note.com/Hel...-is-calculated
07-15-2024 , 10:43 AM
Thank you for the helpful reply, the example really helped me understand!

Chris
07-15-2024 , 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hand2note
Hello,

Action Profit of a specific action in a specific hand equals the difference between our stack size at the end of the hand and our stack size right before the action. In other words, it equals amount of money our stack size receives until the end of the hand. If we fold then our stack size will be the same until the end of the hand and therefore Action Profit of fold is always zero.

Regarding Won it refers to winning all chips starting from the beginning of the hand.

It could be. A simple example of 2 hands:
Pot on the river is 100 (we put 50 in), opponent bets 50, we call 50 and win, Action profit +150, AmountWon +100.
Pot on the river is 100 (we put 50 in), opponent bets 60, we call 60 and lose, Action profit -60, AmountWon -110.
As a result Action profit +90, AmountWon -10.

You can find details of how Action Profit is calculated on the old site:
https://hand2note3.hand2note.com/Hel...-is-calculated
Hi, sorry to bother you again, I thought I understood perfectly as per my comment to your response before, however I still do not understand in regard to the example in the image I have attached to this post.

From what I understand following your examples, the main difference in the 'amount won' and the 'action profit' is that the action profit looks at the difference in stack size following a certain decision in the hand whereas the amount won is the difference in stack size over the entire hand.

From my (obviously flawed) understanding, if the decision in question is the first action that Hero makes in the hand (and he is not posting either of the Blinds), shouldn't the amount won be identical to the action profit? In the image attached in THIS POST I am looking at a report for when Hero raises first in, in Early Position. Prior to Hero raising, he has not yet put any of his chips into the pot, and so from this point should the amount won not be equal to the action profit, by definition? Yet the amount won is negative while the action profit is negative. Again, I appreciate that it is me making a mistake somewhere.

Would it also be possible to clarify - in the image in the INITIAL POST I made, I have used a custom filter involving various actions (Hero raises, Villain raises, Hero calls) - which decision is the 'action profit' based on? The first action of Hero raising in the first place, or the last action of Hero calling after Villain has then raised? I hope this makes sense.

Chris
07-16-2024 , 08:50 AM
Such reports as Next Action / Faced Next should only be viewed with applied action filters because they display correct statistics only for the next action.

For example, if you set the Raise 1st filter, in the Next Action tab, you will see the next actions the player did after the open raise, and in the Faced Next tab, the possible actions of the Villains that the player faced next after the open raise.

If you are not applying action filters, it's better to use the Preflop Action report. Or simply add the Raise 1st filter:

Besides, you are playing at different stakes and the stacks in \$ vary, but Action Profit is calculated in BB. Here's a simple example:

- You won 150BB at NL5 = +\$7.5.
- You lost 100BB at NL10 = -\$10.

In BB, your result is +50BB, but in \$, it's -\$2.5.
07-16-2024 , 01:18 PM
Thank you once again. Much appreciated.

Chris

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