furthermore, they dont read this thread anymore so this is all pointless

they're stripping everything we fought for away from us. It's funny I tried to cash out completely the other day and now there's no option for checks LOL it's the ONLY reason i'm still on until I finally manage to get my $$ out. Not making them anymore money

Discovered this morning

So, effective rake is the same, structure has changed 2x 4x 6x down to 2x 3x 5x



Opinions?

Don´t play this crap?

Lol.Wtf?
They started with $3 spin and go and barely play those,but now from $7 up to?
I used to play a lot of 7's and until two months ago,i got more 4x,6x,25x,120x.Since then,i am happy if i ever see a 4x

Make the zoom table animation option "disabled" effective. The dealing of cards is still animated. Is there a way to fix this?

is it not possible to change the UFC theme to just a black table?

the total payouts remain the same- 100% of the prize pool- so no one is being short changed

all that's changed are the distributions - for example you now have only a 46% chance of playing a x2 compared to a 73% chance previously. overall the only effect this change has is to slightly reduce variance

I will disagree with this
I played about 15-20.000 of those and the reason for these was that you could hit a 6x or bigger many times(Great value for investment).Like i said before,since two months ago,i can barely hit a 4x(for 7$ up).Now this becomes 3x and it doesnt worth the effort anymore.
Just think about how it changed the variance when they changed payout structure in MTT's.It remained the same

its been calculated by several stables and renowned people that all this change does is reduce variance. so the whole "i dont hit 4x" is just well either bad luck for you or you simply focus on the negative and not positive. Can you prove that you barely hit a 4x over 2 months?

You can believe me or not,it's almost the same thing.
I play mostly 7's and i can tell you that in the last two months or so,i hit 6x only 5 times.The most of them were 2x.Maybe others were luckier and got a higher number of 6x or 10x etc.I will(more than sure) to remove this from my playing,because it's just doesnt worth the effort,variance or no variance

Reducing variance likely increases the profitability of the poker site, 'cause people are less likely to cash out a small win than a big win. Hence, the money churns over and over again, being wagered (and raked) multiple times.



(Incidentally, this is why the fiction of the "action hand" is such ignorant bull****)

Riggtards if the odds are displayed that is what the odds are

Do you really think that they are not given the correct payouts.
They don't need to until they stop printing money from rake and are going bust . Maybe they would hit and run if they were losing money and thought let just run to Cuba with players money and if we get caught we can just give them what's left and get a slap on wrist.

I know right, it's like there a company who would do want benefits them and the shareholders before whas best for the players.

Yep,exactly

I started to play those just to make more money to enter more MTT's and i believe that was the reason they atract so many players.
It's more likely to play a spin of 7's where you can win 6x the buyin and play for very short time,than to play a 7's MTT where you likely make extra 3$ if you min cash(much more time,bigger rake,even worst payout).
In my oppinion,these changes will affect them in long term,because those that played spin's every day will reconfigure their playing schedule.
Anyone else who consider that variance will be smaller into this games are playing 0.25$ or 1$ spins,which obviously dont matter for rake itself.

Whoever gets those decission,wheater it's about MTT or spins or cash game,should be fired.Decreasing guarantees for most MTT's,decreasing payouts in spins,increasing rake,non existent rakeback etc it's very bad for a business in long term and even worst for players.

The theory of casino
All the recs started playing MTT's just because of that Glitch(by winning large amounts of money only to invest small amounts of money).If you think about lottery,you will see my point(And spins are lottery-others call it variance).Everyone plays for big amounts of money,although they know they wont ever win that big.But in the end it's a business decission.

Yeah, just logged on for the first time for a couple of months. These changes are rubbish. Forced animations. Choice of tables taken away. Choice of cards taken away, just dull ones. Choice of card backs taken away, just dull ones. Card backs not shown on felt table. Can't change background to user chosen image. No doubt other stuff I haven't noticed yet. Load of cobblers, really.

Not just a zoom problem. The whole site is ruined.

Needs option to revert to previous software. Was fine how it was.

edit: also the hand replayer makes it look like all 6 players stay til showdown every hand
very poor changes
sad

not sure what there is to disagree with since i was only stating facts. run simulations on SwongSim comparing the new structure with the old one and see for yourself

Quasar,you are missing the point here
I dont care if the variance has changed or not.As a matter of fact,i never played with a HUD,so it's not a difference for me.The fact that they decreased the posible payouts it's a bit out of line.In the long term,you will give me credit for what i said.
If you play on lower buyins(0.25$,1$ or 3$) the difference isnt that much

They say we pay only 5% rake for this type of tournaments,but let's face it,3 players pays let's say 15$*3 and the lowest prize is 30$.Now you wont have a 60$ prize(now is 45$),you wont have a 90$ prize(only 75$) and so on.
That means the actual rake has increased.Bigger rake<=less prize=>less variance.Get it?

just found this post man that aurora thing is ****

no lol

Awesome, thank you both v much.

I am livid. I was in the middle of a session and I was forced to upgrade to new software. Since I could not register on any more tournaments, I did.

Even though I have the aurora engine disabled, the client is worse. The $30 SNG knockouts that I play only use a UFC theme that cannot be changed, at least while I am playing a session. Everything is slower. You see a chat bubble and it stays on for 5 minutes until you disable it. Someone checks and it shows him checking for one minute.

Did I mention that the lobby got stuck, could neither go to settings, nor register for any tournaments? Good times.

It's disgraceful. You had one good thing going on Stars and you crapped on it. Good job! Good job!

a few years ago someone told me they dont do automatic stars updates, bc hes nervous it will break table ninja. i said i do because stars is always coming out with great new features and its super easy to downgrade to a previous version, takes 5 seconds.

it all ended with their release of "pokerstars 7". the new management team was forced with releasing this software. you were allowed to stay on og pokerstars "6" for a while, which was nice. the length of time they allowed that probably equals the amount of time old stars leadership was around. it was under contract that they had to oversee the transition, i forget how long, maybe 6 months.

every update something new breaks and each day im not forced into an update is a good day.

it probably takes them 100x the time for an update and as soon as it doesnt break core functionality, its approved. gotta move on to the next advertisment-needed change.

they put ufc on every table but u click sports betting and its like 9th on the list, not even on the main page unless u increased the size of the client over 1000 pixels.
and not even on the top of boxing/mma. maybe this is a good choice financially idk, but just feels bad.

Thanks for this, I was about to send them a longwinded email and you saved me the trouble.

It's still bs mind you. That thing is very difficult to find if you don't know where to look. Just terrible.

Client not remembering favorites on startup since new update.