Chests give less than 10%RB for most everyone.

One of the members here created a thread on this forum, think you'll find this thread very useful.

Thread name: *** Chest Rakeback At Pokerstars *** by 2p2 member Wild Card
Thread link: Here

There's also an article on this new rakeback with lots of useful info:

Article link: Here

Chest table screenshots from that article:




GL!

That’s just perfect. Thanks!

One more thing: The link to the article where you took the graphics from is wrong. It also leads to the 2+2 thread. Could you maybe post the article again as well. Thank you

Oops! Sorry about that

Correct link - https://toppokervalue.com/poker-arti...-stars-rewards

The Stars Rewards system offers the chance to earn Chests, each chest contains rewards tailored to your preferred game. Earn four in a day, move up in chest value. This is not a rakeback system as you may understand it.

The amount of points needed to earn a chest varies per player, and depends on game type, recent activity, and net deposits (among other things).

Good info here: https://www.pokerstars.com/stars-rewards/faq/

What the actual ****.. I get the worst option in every single chest tier.

****ing Stars..

I think Stars should come up with a series of video(s) just like they came up with "Inside PokerStars" and explain to us how these new star rewards actually work and how/why they are good for the poker economy with actual proofs and even testimonials if possible. I have seen a lot of players admitting that at some stakes the games have become softer after the new rewards system were rolled-out. Of course the players who were heavily dependant on the old rewards will be very upset and they have every right to but for the overall economy, this was very much required and I hope they understand.

Some reg view about this new star rewards 2 months ago:



His view now:

I'm glad this thread turned out to be useful for you guys and we appreciate you being active in this thread and responding to our posts.

This year's christmas celebrations was a much better one. 180 sng challenge was definitely the best even though it ran for 6-7 hrs. Also liked the KO challenge and the freeroll on the xmas day with an EV something around $42 was one of the best I ever played on your site. Happy Hours day was the least engaging and imo should have not been included in these challenges. I think it ran for just 3 hrs in a day and they were scheduled to run way too early for most of your player pool and there was no info or banner on the main lobby saying that the happy hours have started. Happy hours a couple of years ago with a smiley next to the cash table/mtt/sng was a better one but still I'd consider Happy Hour a waste of day. I'd have rather liked boost every 4 hrs instead of every 8 hrs on that particular day or even a free upgrade to next tier chest but with the same reward points.

Few challenges/promos that I really missed were:
i) Win with a straight flush or better(Another challenge that was loved by many after 180 sng challenge and which was seen in 2015 christmas celebration)
ii) Bluff a hand on the river with 2-7, Jack High or lower, etc.

These were little harder challenges but it was so much fun to chase these hands and the rewards were also high.

But overall it was a great month, first thing I'd do when I wake up is check what do we have for today, but once we got to 2nd week or so, many of your challenges started to repeat and so the excitement got little less. Would have liked new type of challenges like I mentioned above but it was a fun one.

Ok so I have an idea about free giveaways. We had this promo many times before and it used to be very popular and fun but haven't seen this for a long time now. "Milestone hands" so instead of rewarding cash what if we were given free chests but instead of picking 1 cash table, say every 15000 hands, 50 tables randomly picked and all the players in that table will be given chests which they have least likely upgraded to, before. So for example players at 0.01/0.02 table would be given Silver chests. I'm sure players at these stakes don't often get upgraded to Bronze+ chests. Similarly you could giveaway freeroll tickets (maintaining $20+ EV freerolls) in some major mtts in place of mtt tickets but picking a lot many tables instead of just a few. Having your table being picked for a milestone/free giveaway is a great feeling.

Have few more ideas:
1) Golden Spin n gos - Like for example, in the next 1 hour, first 500 games will be choosen a special prize. These may include - Bigger prizes, 2 or 3 ITMs places, free chests, freeroll tickets, StarCoins etc.
2) Battle of Planets for a short period of time but this time leaderboard also includes spin n gos.
3) A challenge which has to be completed in 30 mins, so if you complete a challenge within 30 mins you win 2x the regular prize.
4) Giving some life to Step sit n gos with giveaways.

If u are winning/breakeven about 3 to 10% max.They say if u are depositor u have bigger rakeback i dont know how much but no more than 20% for sure.I now play like theres no rakeback cuz 20-30$ dollars from this system per month i super joke about players.Before if i finish my tournament session i will play after that one hour of 6 max Ko hypers for fun + maintaining vip status,now i dont have reason due huge rake on them for which nobody can give reason now(before that they can say we give back so is not that big if u include rakeback).If u are hard ass grinder on cash/sng but u are about volume not about good adjustment + a lot of study less volume ,good decision making better not to play on PS.Anyway theres is still money in the game ,just every year is more and more harder + Ps makes it even more harder and we will see to what this will lead if no markets come to common player pool.

Dylan (head of customer loyalty) already confirmed on discord there are some people getting even bigger rewards than Supernova Elites in previous system. Those are net depositors (big sums) and losing players. I imagine they can easily get 75%+.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxq3xiu0d2...49.37.png?dl=0

FYP - because you're mistakenly looking at the Stars reward program as a rakeback program, when it is not (at least, not in the way that you seem to understand it).

net depositor what it means ??! depositing often or losing his money and depositing again,because if its only if u deposit for example im sng grinder nad play 1k hypers and im winning with 1% roi and deposit every day 1 k and i will receive rakeback like previous and will get again same big winnings like supernova sng/cash grinders?

I am not the expert on the Stars Rewards programme (Dylan is) but there was something stated on the last earnings call about this.

https://s1.rationalcdn.com/vendors/s...Transcript.pdf

"For instance, two-thirds of our players are receiving, on average, 20% more rewards than before."

Anuj, I haven't forgotten you... I'll be responding in more detail to your comments and feedback next week.

Poker revenue was $221 million for the third quarter, an increase of nearly 13% compared to the third
quarter last year. The increase was primarily driven by the implementation of Stars Rewards,

SO for sure u not give more to rec players,this two third players with previus system have 50 cents rakeback daily now they have 60 cents do u think they care about these 20% cuz i make daily 10-15-20 $ rake (which is not big)and i dont have more rewards (at max luck they are near previous chrime-silver star) so stop with saying again and again u give more to ocassional players cuz ur promotion for 0.50 cents or 15 cents more rakeback is not helping ecosystem .I wonder why u didnt stop by cut rakeback statuses to 30-35% for SNE and u will have again more revenue + grinders which lose money and depends on rakebacks will be again hurt but normal guys like me will be happy .And nobody answer my question for net depositors like allways....

Net Deposits = Deposits minus Withdrawals

So for example i deposit all year every 10 days 100$ and doesnt withdraw anything i will have big rakeback even if im winning player ?

Is this calculated over a rolling time frame, or is it over the entire life of the account? I've never deposited but have withdrawn a small amount of money, so technically I'm a lifetime net-withdrawer. However, my last withdrawal came in April 2011 (hurray black Friday), and I've been a break-even player since then.

Not related to the question, but thanks for being so active in this thread. Besides Keith, it's been a while since anyone from PS was so active in these forums responding to the feedback. It's nice to see.

i think i understand it right. if i bring 1k into the system and lose it in 1minute it will only generate few dollars in rake. so in old system i was about to get very small rakeback calculated solely on the rake generated.
in new system rewards are calculating on how much one brings into ecosystem. so my 1k is worth much more for the ecosystem that rake it generates, so PS can afford to give me lets say 100$ back in next deposit bonus, right? so it will be like way more than 100% of my money generates in rake?

do i understand it right?

Without commenting on the specific numbers (I don't know what PokerStars uses; I don't know if they're public) that's the broad concept, yes.

I'm famous hehe . Thanks anuj22

However, the article and table from the other website (the 'toppokervalue' one) is wrong, I believe, and people should ignore that.
Even just glancing at the table from their website, you can see it is wrong with its suggestion that a 'typical' rakeback being >20%.
It's unbelievabley stupid for them to claim that, it would mean there was a rakeback increase, which there clearly isn't.
Even Pokerstars admit rakeback is slashed by 85%.

Also, I notice 'toppokervalue' have tried to assign a value to freerolls, and then they assume that everyone min cashes every single one of them, which would be impossible. Freerolls only run on one day each week, if you're lucky enough to get a ticket, you might play 50 tourneys in a year? Or a maximum of 100 per year, if you had the tickets and played them religiously. I'm guessing that's a small sample size for estimating value. There's about 25k players, and ~5k players get paid, so necessarily not everyone will min cash, most people will bust out with nothing. I would guess most people wouldn't play them every week anyway.
Additionally, yes freerolls may have some value (of which each person can determine for themselves), but importantly: freerolls are not rakeback!

Anyway, was better when you got their website link wrong but thanks for pointing to my thread, I was pleasantly surprised by that. I hope people find it useful and continue to contribute

First of all Happy New Year and second, where are the new Pokerstars promotions for 2018?

Currently they have two promos that would be mildly interesting: Spin&Go Challenge and Jacks or Better.
But I have a problem: They are offered to me at the minimum buy-in level, $1 spins and NL 10, and as a result with measly rewards.
In the past I got these promos tailored to my normal playing levels, $30 spins and NL 100.
Someone else experiencing this? Is it a bug?

Rakeback should not expire and should be paid into players accounts immediately in cash.

Without customers, you do not have a business.

Be fair to your customers or they will leave.

Enough of the chests, more of the cash and stop the gimmicks.

Email support and ask them to forward to me.

Note; my answer will most likely be "that's how it is this time around, sorry that it doesn't meet your expectations" rather than "oops we seem to have a made a mistake".. but if you promise to try and be OK with that , I will definitely take a look.

Note; we don't *always* tailor every single player to their buyin level for every promotion, sometimes we make it more one-size-fits-most, depending on the promo and what else is available at the time.