Friday and Saturday nights in December were around 1,000 players online, maybe a little more.

Yes, I am pretty sure you can download the client and open the lobby to see the traffic and games running.

I noticed that the spin and gos payout structure changed, are the new payouts listed anywhere?

Over 1000 players right now.

I'm trying to deposit onto PSNJ and every method is declined... paypal, denies the transactions, visa, mastercard, etc. How am I to deposit?

You can deposit with cash using PayNearMe. You have to select the option in the Stars app on your phone, then you just bring the cash to a Walgreens/Dollar General/CVS etc. that does PayNearMe (check the PayNearMe web page to find a local store that does it). They will scan the bar code in from the Stars app and you give them the cash. A while later you should get confirmation from Stars of the deposit.

This is roughly how I remember doing it when I deposited...

Appreciate the info, but I can't believe this is still the hoops we gotta jump through to play LEGAL poker in 2023. My word.

Agreed... Stars needs to talk to PayPal and get it together. To be fair, it's PayPal that's causing it to be a pain in the ass. It's still triggering something in their system since it's a gambling transaction, despite the fact there is supposed to be an agreement in place with many of the regulated gambling sites. I tried to deposit with PayPal too and it was a nightmare - never could get it to work despite calling in to PayPal and trying to jump through their hoops. How many would be players are put off with the deposit issues?

Damn that brings back memories of having to go to the party store and adding money to some phone card to deposit on Carbon Poker (and all the other Merge skins, lmao.) Forgot about that.

Anyway, not sure why you're having problems. Paypal works great here in MI, haven't tried the other methods but I haven't really herard of any problems. Good luck.


ETA, I did read somewhere that you should have a checking account linked to paypal in order to deposit through Paypal. You don't actually have to use the checking account as a payment method, I just think it's an extra layer of security.

Wow, sorry to hear that. It's been beeen pretty seamless over here. Deposits and withdrawls are pratically instant.

I would've thought the hardest part would've been initially creating the Paypal account and jumping through all the hoops to verify everything.

Since the player pool merger with Michigan and New Jersey, I've noticed that the number of tables running has increased considerably.

This is a good thing. It can't be long before other states start being combined as well. IMO, I'm thinking that at least NV will be added by the end of 2023 and quite honestly, the other states in the compact. PA is a question mark but just an eventuality. When it comes to revenue for the coffers of a state, it's hard to resist. I'm surprised that more isn't being mentioned about W. Va, because they can play but no operator has presence there yet. My understanding is that they have a player pool of around 1.4 million, potentially.

I'm don't write code and I'm not a software developer but to those that are, it's allowing other states into the same client as easy as just doing a update? When the site was down for two day to combine the MI / NJ player pool, it seems like they'd have to foresight to easily add other states into the fray.

lol, I didn't have to do any of that in MI. I just linked my bank and deposited.

I don't want NV in the compact with MI.

I completely forgot about that as well!!!

Why?

Have to assume they are the strongest pool and opens up the potential for international players to get in easier.

Same here.

After the MI/NJ merge, I think my fears that I posted in some other threads may be coming true (higher reg:rec ratio) but it's a bit too early to tell. It definitely seems like I am having to do a lot more table selecting and table management so far -_- ... There does seem to be the benefit of more players during off peak hours for more volume though ... if it turns out I'm right and it's a bad thing for the pool ... I still think it could be a good thing eventually if many more states came on board (which would require more states to legalize...), since the number of regs is likely to be more skewed toward the few regulated states we currently have.

The other problem is NV doesn't allow HUDs, so once you combine with NV, HUDs can no longer be allowed in the other states. Banning HUDs creates an opportunity (that has already been documented to have been abused at least once in NV) for less scrupulous players to use a card catcher to get HH and use a HUD... giving them a leg up on those who aren't willing to break the rules. Obviously, there are also a lot of pros in Vegas which doesn't help.

Makes sense.

I wasn't aware of the no HUD issue. Without a HUD would I still be able to use PT4 to at least track my wins and losses?

What is a card catcher? Add-on software?

Nope you would not be able to use PT4 - you'd have to download your financial history from the client - but it doesn't have any hand histories. A card catcher captures the hand history by reading the text/graphics on your screen instead of a hand history. Then it converts it to a hand history so your HUD program can read it. For sites that disallow HUDs, as far as I know, there aren't any publicly available card catching programs ... but that wouldn't stop anyone from making one themselves and wouldn't be surprised if there are some going around / for sale but not openly.

games are good. 3 way 5b pot pre (not all in -with 250bb eff behind on flop of 125bb pot lolol)...

I wish I could have tested this theory, and while I don't play many MTT's, given how close the bubble popped towards the end of the rebuy period, I think you could have lat reg'd right at the end of the reg period and folded your way ITM. I don't think I've ever seen an MTT before where this was possible. There were soooo many re-entries.

I gotta ask - what stake did that happen at?

Yeah - totally forgot about the HUD rules in NV. WSOP.MI doesn't allow them either (assuming just because they plan to merge eventually) and they definitely have the lowest player count for cash games running.

Right, I believe this is why WSOP (888) removed the option to save HH.

However, if you look at the WSOP TOS for Nevada, they are very different from the WSOP TOS for Michigan and other states.

In Nevada, HUDs are clearly prohibited, but in Michigan and other States they are allowed. It's just that WSOP doesn't offer the HH anymore so the HUDs are basically useless. So if you can find a card catcher or screen scraper for WSOP/888 you wouldn't be breaking any TOS rules/State laws. (unless you're in Nevada, of course)


I explained this a little better and linked to the different TOS in the following thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...6&postcount=35

If you haven't tried already, try your bank debit card that's tied to your checking or savings account.

or as fozzy mentioned, try the bank transfer option which has an icon that looks like this