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PokerStars confirms new rewards program: Chests
05-10-2019
, 03:40 PM
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'no flop no drop' is pretty much standard in casinos (for my experience) and most poker sites too. what would be really nice and appropriate is 'split pot no drop' (which my home casino does too btw, also some sites i think). especially in PLO where you have this quite often with big pots and both players pay full rake but in the end both have significant net losses with the nuts. its so bad that sometimes im thinking about just calling with the nuts (e.g. straight) to avoid the rake.
also the rake caps are absurd. i remember a couple of years ago when Stars actually lowered the rake percentage for NL/PL micro stakes because it was so bad they couldnt deny it, but no one really cared about the insanely high caps, which remained the same (stars knows why). they lowered the rake % something like 15% compared to higher stake but this also means that the caps will be reached even less often. the game at small stakes is pretty much uncapped and i think this is the biggest factor for the hard to beat very very high bb/100h in rake you pay. for example its around 15 big blinds per 100 hands for PLO10. this would mean you pay 1.5 cents for EVERY hand you get dealt. like dnegs says: more rake is better right..tell this to the recreational player who will have lost 15% of his whole stack after only an hour of play to the site alone. they are printing money...
at first glance you might think 'oh stars has way better rake caps than party' for example, but if you look closely you'll realize that the micro caps at stars are already so high that its basically uncapped and it probably doesnt matter for most micro stakes games if the cap is 2$ or 3$, since its not reached unless there are multi-way all ins.
i once calculated how many big blinds have to be in the pot to reach rake cap at small stakes on stars:
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if another site has the same cap for PLO25 for example but 5% rake percentage, rake cap would actually be already reached at 160BB, so cap would be reached more often than on stars but on all other hands you pay more %, which is probably still worse but this serves as an example how important caps are to rake. if cap was at 1.5$ it might make more sense to play on the 5% rake percentage site (capped @120BB) than stars with 4,25%.
there actually are some sites (like 1-2) which have reasonable rake caps for lower stakes, something like 3 big blinds max, which is favorable in small stakes but gets kind of bad at higher stakes, where other sites have caps that are less than these 3BB.
in the end its hard to tell if 30% rb at party with 5% rake percentage but a high cap is better than 4.25% (which is only 15% lower) and a lower caps but almost no rakeback. i once tried to rougly estimate if it makes a big difference in the end but probably does not and structures are sometimes so different that it would make sense to play $25 on this site but $20 on another site...
also the rake caps are absurd. i remember a couple of years ago when Stars actually lowered the rake percentage for NL/PL micro stakes because it was so bad they couldnt deny it, but no one really cared about the insanely high caps, which remained the same (stars knows why). they lowered the rake % something like 15% compared to higher stake but this also means that the caps will be reached even less often. the game at small stakes is pretty much uncapped and i think this is the biggest factor for the hard to beat very very high bb/100h in rake you pay. for example its around 15 big blinds per 100 hands for PLO10. this would mean you pay 1.5 cents for EVERY hand you get dealt. like dnegs says: more rake is better right..tell this to the recreational player who will have lost 15% of his whole stack after only an hour of play to the site alone. they are printing money...
at first glance you might think 'oh stars has way better rake caps than party' for example, but if you look closely you'll realize that the micro caps at stars are already so high that its basically uncapped and it probably doesnt matter for most micro stakes games if the cap is 2$ or 3$, since its not reached unless there are multi-way all ins.
i once calculated how many big blinds have to be in the pot to reach rake cap at small stakes on stars:
upload images
if another site has the same cap for PLO25 for example but 5% rake percentage, rake cap would actually be already reached at 160BB, so cap would be reached more often than on stars but on all other hands you pay more %, which is probably still worse but this serves as an example how important caps are to rake. if cap was at 1.5$ it might make more sense to play on the 5% rake percentage site (capped @120BB) than stars with 4,25%.
there actually are some sites (like 1-2) which have reasonable rake caps for lower stakes, something like 3 big blinds max, which is favorable in small stakes but gets kind of bad at higher stakes, where other sites have caps that are less than these 3BB.
in the end its hard to tell if 30% rb at party with 5% rake percentage but a high cap is better than 4.25% (which is only 15% lower) and a lower caps but almost no rakeback. i once tried to rougly estimate if it makes a big difference in the end but probably does not and structures are sometimes so different that it would make sense to play $25 on this site but $20 on another site...
Party will rake you preflop
but also the 5% per 20 Cents means that if you don't reach the 20 cents you don't pay the full 5%
I mean obviously it's higher
Thanks about the cap So NL25 it's not a huge deal.
Party RB is 10-25% capped at 25% Stars os 2.1-2.3% steady (no random chests) here so it's gonna be around the same rake I assume, so Stars wins by default thanks to other factors, no reason to play Party really.
And you have to decide if you're not in one of these markets if the Net Rake that's lower for you by the extra RB you get is worth the worse security+traffic+software.
Stars is still doing well it seems based on how many people play there, I'm telling you guys it's not over, more rake increases could definitely come
05-10-2019
, 07:08 PM
