Not really. Analysts shift opinion as new evidences comes to their attention. In fact, analysts shifting opinion is quite a stock mover. Tesla lost 5% one time when Jonas (huge cred) changed his opinion in a few weeks.

The point being that GM have Tesla crushed and humiliated and with no hope of competing when it comes to autonomous driving, and even the previous Tesla fans and pumpers are starting to notice.

Let me put it this way. GM has a fully autonomous Uber-like ride hailing service in operation for its employees on a decent scale, including all the software and autonomously navigating inner city complexity.

Tesla has what? Automatic braking sorted out at highway speeds a month ago? An absurd algorithm that still swerves across lanes when they disappear?

It's transparent at this point - anyone who thinks Tesla are ahead or anything other than years behind on autonomous driving are nutcases. They were always nutcases, but it wasn't obvious to the peanut gallery. Now it is.

Are you short yet? That's really all anyone cares about.

Why? He doesn't actually trade. He just posts after the fake "foresight". See his Tesla forecast that has cost him an obscene amount of fictional money he didn't trade.

Also, calling the analyst you just cited a "nutcase" is amazing. Tesla clearly had the best level of driving automation on the road along with a clear path to aggregate a ton of data. I've expressed problems with their sensor suite (as have others), but seeing a couple majors put out superior technology this quickly is surprising.

The idea behind investing is to buy low and sell high. Musk's idea of investing is to buy snow and get high. sell sell sell TSLA $300> is lol

Buy snow and get high, that is a good one

I spoke too soon it seems. New customers are getting this now apparently:

Toothsayer,

I have a simple question for you. Have you ever driven a model S?

Not to speak for TS but he has never questioned the performance of an Ev vehicle compared to an ICE vehicle. I don't think anyone educated on the topic would. If your point is past that, then maybe add something to your question?

It is not really meant to stimulate an elaborate discussion. Just wondering since when the word fanboy is being thrown around so often. Many people who question the company haven't had the joy of driving this beast of a product. That is all. Just saying it is very easy to become a fanboy.

I've ridden in a Model S but have never driven one. I thought the interior was pretty awful compared the the low end BMWs and Mercs I was used to. The ride was sexy, I love pure electric, gasoline seems so crap and antiquated in comparison. But I've gotten almost the same rush out of an ultra crap sub $20K Peugeot iOn cars and Renault Zoes I've hired to zip around town in France. Electric cars are fun.

Question for you. Have you ever driven in a non-Tesla pure electric drive performance sports car?

Regarding the interior I have noticed difference in Tesla between 2014-2017. Also I like the X a lot on this. But don't really mind other companies interiors, except that I hate most infotainment systems.

As for acceleration, I did testdrive the Model S P100D and thought I was gonna faint when I floored the accelerator the first time. Really recommend you to try this, it is free and you get some insight into the company. Compare this to i3 was a huge difference, more like "yeah, this drives like a decent sports car", not "omg I'm gonna die!".

I'll take your word on the interiors. Haven't seen one in a couple of years. That's a plus for Tesla.

The BMW i3 is $42,000. The P100D is $120,000. What's the 0-60 profile on the M3, which is comparable to the i3 in price (i3 is a hybrid by the way, not a pure electric)?

If 0-60 in <3 seconds will give me insight into the company, then Tesla is dead. Ultra high performance electric drives are a commodity in a few years. That's the whole point. The bottom of the cars will be identical in five years - it's a battery and an electric motor. Everything else you pay for - performance wheels, etc. Once you have 600 miles of range and a performance drive as a commodity, the only differentiator is price and the top of the of car. And the majors have Tesla crushed for a decade on those two metrics.

Dyson 2020

There is a pretty large difference in 0-60 in 3s and 2.3s. Recommend to try it!
The i3 for me was a joke with the doors not being able to close in the "wrong" order, the large weird tree panels etc. Will be interesting to compare it to the M3 at similar price points. I think the Model 3 will be much more attractive to buyers and sell better.

The insight will be about many things, the sales rep are usually really good at talking about everything about the company. For example how many of the buyers are leasing, how sales has been the latest quarter, what changes people are buying, what they think about solar PV, if he/she is getting a model 3, what options etc etc. Just ask away, add the answers to your pile of information and later see what information was useful and not.

I have not.

As far as the interior, I have grown to love the minimalist approach. I like the lack of nobs and buttons. It just seems like a better way to do things. The seats are very comfortable to me but some owners disagree. I agree with the rest of what you said. I think the model 3 took this even further. I am optimistic that they haven't taken things too far with no HUD or even speedometer in front of the driver. We will hopefully see soon if Elon is right when he said "you won't care." Wife ordered a 3 and as a california res, S owner, first day reservation, we should be pretty far up the list.

What price will you have to pay for it?

Around 49k pre tax rebate which should be 10kish. This is for the bigger battery that is the only option if you choose first production round.

I don't really get this. An ICE could have been considered perfected long ago yet each manufacturer spends boat loads of cash annually on R&D, racing, and continually improving ICE performance to stay one step ahead of their competitors. Not to mention drivetrain and suspension.

Why will electric motors and batteries be any different?

I don't think it will be much different. Even if batteries are commodotized to the degree that Tooth lets on, there's a lot more to making a car's "bottom half" than just the engine. There are cars with literally the same engine that have different horsepower and torque and fuel consumption by virtue of how you tune that engine. I presume there are similar degrees of tuning with respect to an electric engine, but I've never worked with electric engines. Throw in the rest of the drive train, handling characteristics, etc., and I can't imagine ever getting to a point where new car buyers are essentially just picking a phone case for the same car build.

With all that in mind, I still think the typical consumer is ignorant or largely unaffected by differences in the drive-train specs between different models of the same class. The decisive element in someone buying a Civic vs. a Corolla, or an Escape vs. a Rogue is more often about styling and perception. Ask an Escape owner if their SUV has better fuel economy than a Rav4 or better acceleration than a CX-5, and they'll have no idea--that's not why they bought it.

That's probably true for the bottom end market where the consumer could care less that their battery is filled w/ dissident tears. Automotive development has always been driven by a Reaganesque trickle down economy though, with a large (most profitable) segment of the consumers caring very much whether their batteries are filled w/ the tears of blonde vs. brunette virgins, despite the fact they're cucks.

uh you understand that failure after failure was expected? They are testing and developing something that the establishment of the space industry dismissed as basically impossible. Of course they had many failures.

It's a video that SpaceX posted.