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01-05-2023 , 01:10 AM

#14901

heltok

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

Didn't it decline 4Q '21 to $Q '22 in terms of quarterly sales? That is where the decline is. That is also where the "Elon is toxic to the people he needs to sell cars to" would start.

No.

https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/t...ion-deliveries
https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/t...fourth-quarter

AUSTIN, Texas, January 2, 2022 – In the fourth quarter, we achieved production of more than 305,000 vehicles and deliveries of over 308,000 vehicles. In 2021, we delivered over 936,000 vehicles.

AUSTIN, Texas, January 2, 2023 – In the fourth quarter, we produced over 439,000 vehicles and delivered over 405,000 vehicles. In 2022, vehicle deliveries grew 40% YoY to 1.31 million while production grew 47% YoY to 1.37 million.

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01-05-2023 , 01:01 PM

#14902

Onlydo2days

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Originally Posted by heltok

my bad, thought I saw something like that on twitter or in an article

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01-05-2023 , 03:41 PM

#14903

chytry

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Originally Posted by NLOmahaHL

When TSLA goes below $200 even bigger slide afterwards?

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Originally Posted by chytry

I don't think it will lose 50% even faster but it wouldn't shock me either.

It took a year from 400 to 200 and now close to a 100 after 2 months and that's with indexes kinda holding up.

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01-06-2023 , 03:49 AM

#14904

heltok

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Tesla lowering prices 6-14% in Shanghai, Korea, Japan etc.

BREAKING: Tesla has reduced their car prices in China. Here are the new starting prices (in USD):

• Model 3 RWD: $33,023 (11.7% drop)
• Model 3 P: $48,014 (5.7% drop)
• Model Y SR: $37,826 (10% drop)
• Model Y LR: $45,103 (13.4% drop)
• Model Y P: $52,381 (9.5% drop)

Bull: Gotta sting for the competition. Price of commodities, shipping etc has gone down. Wright's law.
Bear: No demand, Tesla slashing their profit in half.

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01-06-2023 , 09:38 AM

#14905

BOIDS

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about to test $100 in premarket

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01-06-2023 , 11:10 AM

#14906

BooLoo

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man, the ceo sure was lucky when he sold countless billions in stock a couple hundred $ higher.
business genius.

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01-06-2023 , 03:20 PM

#14907

Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by BooLoo

man, the ceo sure was lucky when he sold countless billions in stock a couple hundred $ higher.
business genius.

Lucky ?
Lol…

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01-06-2023 , 07:51 PM

#14908

Jupiter0

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Just looking at the chart it looks like a good setup for a bear trap that could be a short-term low. bagholder fundy investors see cheap prices not seen since summer of 2020. It had a pretty strong MM demand zone around $100 back then. I'd be more confident if I knew Elon couldn't dump huge blocks at any moment....

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01-06-2023 , 09:02 PM

#14909

heltok

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So once the dust settled the day ended at:
TSLA +2.47%
BYD -2.6%
NIO -4.51%
LI -9.16%
XPEV -15.04%

Volume is pretty crazy. People disagree very strongly on the future value of TSLA, so there is plenty of opportunity to get rich by guessing which side is right. Good luck anyone brave enough to play the game!

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01-07-2023 , 10:45 PM

#14910

mindflayer

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Purchased more tesla this week, again at $110

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01-08-2023 , 06:59 AM

#14911

chytry

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And then there is this.
It would still be stupidly wasteful even with autonomous driving but it can't even do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djfYafWFWtk

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01-08-2023 , 07:10 AM

#14912

washoe

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Originally Posted by heltok

because they might be getting rekt soon and not only on the asian markets. all major player such as bmw, mercedes, etc,, are now partnering up with alibaba, huwai, and all the chinese tech giants to make the next generation of high tech electric vehicles.

Last edited by washoe; 01-08-2023 at 07:33 AM.

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01-08-2023 , 07:37 AM

#14913

washoe

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01-08-2023 , 07:37 AM

#14914

washoe

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alibabas car in production now, looks better than tesla and can probably do much more than a y model. --57.000 Euro

Im not sure but Im guessing it is far more advanced.

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01-08-2023 , 01:20 PM

#14915

washoe

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"Huawei licensed car technologies to Mercedes Benz, Audi, BMW, Porsche and more"

https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei...sche-and-more/

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01-08-2023 , 01:26 PM

#14916

washoe

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"5 Best Electric Cars And 5 Hybrids We'd Buy Instead Of The Tesla Model 3

The Tesla Model 3 is a respectable electric car, but the value it brings for the money pales in comparison to these EVs and hybrids."
https://www.hotcars.com/best-electri...tesla-model-3/

Elon is about to lose some ground soon?

Last edited by washoe; 01-08-2023 at 01:34 PM.

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01-08-2023 , 01:33 PM

#14917

washoe

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I mean tesla is all cool and all, but can it really compete with that interior in the future and the tech?

"Mercedes Benz Shows Tesla What A Luxurious Interior Looks Like"

https://www.brandsynario.com/mercede...or-looks-like/

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01-08-2023 , 01:35 PM

#14918

washoe

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lets wait until mercedes gets all the gadgets from huawei and co.

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01-09-2023 , 12:52 AM

#14919

GTO2.0

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Even the biggest Tes-head has to admit that the “Giant screen nailed to the dashboard” look is terrible and an obvious design compromise. Kinda shocked they stuck with it so long.

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01-09-2023 , 02:49 AM

#14920

heltok

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Think this is the wrong thread, try the mercedes thread. As long as every product announcement is compared to Tesla, that's a lot of free PR. Anyway, what are your falsifiable predictions? How many sales of Tesla in 2023? How many EV from Mercedes in 2023?

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01-09-2023 , 03:46 AM

#14921

washoe

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Originally Posted by heltok

yea keep watching the sales now. they will drop imo.

It is unavoidable to connect this to tesla and its share right now imo.
Mercedes competes with tesla now, their shares will rocket when they are done with everything they are planning imo. and tesla share might drop because of this.

Even Hyundai (genesis) is competing with tesla right now. and you know what? they have the upper hand. (as of now, they cought up right now, and not until recently) wait until chinese tech giants really kick in.

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01-09-2023 , 04:13 AM

#14922

washoe

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That being said tesla sales seem to be stable.

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01-09-2023 , 04:18 AM

#14923

washoe

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https://www.counterpointresearch.com...sales-q3-2022/

I just dont know for how long tesla can keep up with it.

Alliances speak against it, state backing speaks against that imo,
and reviews of actual car performance speak against it. Tesla is not actually leading there.