The only thing insane is people who believe Musk lies. This is one of the "feature complete in 2019" "one million robotaxis in 2020" fully self driving machines that Musk promised:

If Tesla hits $3000 a share I’ll buy a put

Give them a break, they were too busy mass producing Tesla Semis in late 2019.

Than bet against him or don't take a position. I'm waiting for it to find support before I sell more verticals. I would buy shares here and average down though. Most people who bash tesla have no skin in the game and are on the wrong side of the trade. Right now with all the market and china turmoil would be a good place to average in imo.

Hey all:

I was not aware that TSLA was "selling" cars that are self-driving.

Are there no laws about this? Or is it that TSLA is too big/powerful to have to obey laws? How is it that TSLA is not going to have HUGE verdicts against them when a self driving car gets into an accident?

Kind of like what we saw with Uber/Lyft? Or what is going on with AirB&B and other house sharing platforms?

I like how these tech companies can just start up whatever they want and not have regulations apply to them.

There are already cars getting into accidents. It does not appear to affect the company that much or the stock price. I think legally, the responsibility falls on the driver and not Tesla in the end.

Those cars are driven by people, it will be a big hurdle and who knows what insurance costs will be to have the self driving cars go out on their own.

Was just looking up some statistics. It seems that Tesla cars tend to get in less accidents with auto pilot on than without it. This would actually be a plus for Tesla given that it is true. Only 167 people have died in a Tesla car according to tesladeaths.com. That is a pretty low number.

Personally I feel my odds would be better not using autopilot, because I think my odds of getting in an accident is quite low, but for the general population it could be a good thing.

How do these statistics account for the possibility that AutoPilot may disengage before an accident ?

It's probably very difficult to conclude anything here. Some aspects of AutoPilot may help the driver and some may increase risk. Netting all the features together may be safer, when it could be tremendously safer if you left out a couple problematic features from AutoPilot.

Considering Auto Pilot is mostly used to drive straight on the highway it makes sense. I assume they aren't doing any sort of normalization relative to driving conditions, but maybe.

People need to understand that 'self driving' as it is being defined today has existed for decades and was called cruise control.

Not currently now, nor back when cruise control was first developed were you supposed to let the car simply drive itself without human vigilance, assistance and control.

That some idiots say 'hey it is advanced so I will trust it to fully self drive' is just that. Human error and idiocy.

Todays 'self driving' features have added a much bigger layer to safety than existed prior. Distracted drivers on the roads are far less likely to rear end someone but that does not mean you can let the car self drive. Because we do not have self driving cars now. We have cars that can make corrections that require humans to still do the main driving.




Of course. But some idiots will act like the cars are self driving when they are 'partial correction'. Those corrections are generally very good for overall safety.

I would bet Stats on 'accidents per mile driven' will be massively better for cars with 'self driving', 'partial correction' as opposed to those with no such technology. I would bet it won't even be close.

Looks like the Cathie pump worked! Her bull case would only value TSLA at 15% of total US annual GDP. Totally reasonable!!

Actually, no. When you make the proper corrections and only look at highway miles driven compared to other new cars, Teslas on Autopilot are significantly less safe. See: here, here and here. It's a well-documented problem in the industry, that advanced driver-assistance systems lull drivers into complacency and trusting the system more than they should, so it can actually be more dangerous unless they do active driver-monitoring. Which Tesla has famously and recklessly resisted, of course.



Also this: https://twitter.com/Mtass7/status/11...905468416?s=20

Also note the section on Wikipedia about Elon lying about Tesla's safety ratings, to the point that the NHTSA had to send him a cease and desist letter. There is literally no lie too big or too small that Musk won't tell, and y'all still just eat up his technoshit like it's gold.

What are you talking about? Are you aware that many car models have multiple years with 0 deaths on record, especially in the luxury segment? Or that the average 2017 model year car had only 36 deaths per million registered vehicle years?

In what crazy world does "self driving" mean "cruise control"?

And in what crazy world does "Autopilot" mean anything but a vehicle piloting itself?

Let me see if I can help you out, blind bear. Cars with cruise control come from a factory. Cars with Autopilot come from a Gigafactory. If you don't understand the difference, you don't understand how exponentials work.

My logic was this:

38,000 car deaths a year
1.13% Tesla cars
38,000 * 0.0113 = 429.4
Since 167 < 429.4 I saw it as a good thing.

In hindsight, after a good night of rest, this may have been oversimplifying things, because I’m not factoring in other demographics/ using the wrong numbers to reach a conclusion.

godson, as stated, the premise is incorrect

but... do you genuinely believe >1% of all cars on the road in the US are teslas? how many cars do you see a day, how many are teslas?

For starters, you'd need to look at deaths per driven km.

I don't disagree and tried to draw a distinction between how some people wrongly see the cars as 'self driving' when in fact they are 'partial correction'. We can never correct for idiots.

I have driven a lot of partial correction cars as someone who travels a lot and rents cars a lot. I hated the 'partial correction' at first as I am typically a very diligent driver (never had an at fault accident in over 30 years of driving) but the partial correction does serve a great function.

One of the reasons I won't use cruise control while driving late at night and when I know I am tired is it also can bring down your guard levels. One less thing to focus on means one less thing keeping your mind active and more alert.

We are just stuck in this interim step before getting to true 'self driving' cars. 'Partial correct' is a good step even if idiots abuse it. Self driving cars are inevitable and once fully realized the accident data and traffic flow improvement data (turning highways more into train flow type traffic then stop and go traffic jams) will be undeniable and it will mean no more human driving, like that or not.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1374617643446063105

The time has come

Kind of interesting video on a Tesla attempting to make an unprotected left against oncoming traffic. Nothing groundbreaking, so don't watch if you're pressed for time, but it's a good illustration of the shortcomings and the willingness of fanboys to be guinea pigs/crash-test dummies. I'd really like to see what would happen if the driver hadn't been so quick to disengage the system as the car starts to lunge into oncoming traffic.

Great video. Chuck Cook's obvious disappointment and increasing voice stress as his Tesla tries to kill him time after time is hilarious.

lol

i don't get these videos, are these hobbyists? third party regulators? actually tesla employees sharing their test drive for some arcane reason?

Cultists gonna cult

This is a great video laying out the history of Musk's lies about FSD in his own words:

Elon Musk Is A Con Artist: Tesla's Full Self-Driving Scam Revisited

When are the loser bulls in this thread (like heltok and ChipRick) - and Alex Wice - going to admit that they were completely wrong, that Musk is a fraud and conman, and that the bears were correct on FSD, and that the increase in Tesla stock price is purely on idiots believing the fraud?

The stock ripped 20x on this pure fraud + a retail surge from easy covid money. Musk had a straight zero chance of ever completing FSD within 5 years, let along the end of 2019 like he claimed. Straight zero chance of robotaxis in 2025, let alone 2020 like he claimed. He was committing deliberate, knowing fraud to save his (in his words) almost bankrupt company.

It's interesting watching that video with the benefit of hindsight. He is such an obvious liar.