You're just tragic at this point TS.

I have no doubt that the biggest Tesla bear on earth has made fortunes shorting a stock that has gone to the moon and where he has been demonstrably wrong about almost everything again and again. I'm a believer.

I will say it's been interesting to see you hop from one conspiracy theory to the next in order to justify some of the Tesla performance. Moved on from the cartel operating out of freemont onto Space X selling military secrets to China. What's next? Maybe Elvis has been buying all these Model Y's along with Tupac and Biggie from their secret underground illuminati hangout. Only possible answer IMO.

1. 1 million autonomous robotaxis in 2020 on the roads, pulling in $10 billion in profit for Tesla.
2. Fully Self Driving feature complete by the end of 2019
3. Tesla cars will appreciate 5x in 2020

1. IIRC he said capable of
2. We don’t know if development build was feature complete or not in 2019. But it seems that beta release to customers in 2020 is feature complete at least.
3. Don’t think he said that.

I find this semantics bending pretty tiring. It makes it possible to justify whatever position one has both for or against Tesla. So what if they are one year late or not, they are still far ahead of Toyota, VW etc with regards to how much revenue they get for their software per vehicle, which is what matters to justify valuations.

I will repeat it. 2M vehicles per year, $10k software upgrade, 50% take rate = $10B profit per year. P/E of 50 -> $500B market cap. This is a huge deal even ignoring robotaxi potential.

I mean, you literally saw me make 10 baggers just this year in entries and exits.

I've been demonstrably right on nearly everything fundamental on Tesla, far more right than the predictions of people like heltok, which have comical fails (he thought they'd be doing billions in profit by this time on energy, solar roofs, etc). I'll quote some. And I've been far more correct than any of Elon's predictions.

You seem like you're so silly that you can't separate one bear from another. Where did I ever say "there's a cartel operating out of Fremont"?

You do realize that Musk was desperate, near bankruptcy (his own words), and shopping around for cash/to sell the business. He openly says above that above! Can you read? Tesla was such a turd that Apple wouldn't even meet with him at 1/10th of the current price. Then suddenly endless billions in Chinese cash became available to finance his verge of bankruptcy (again, Musk's own words) operation. Why and how?

God this is so pathetic. Yes he said all of that, it was pure fraud, and people believing that fraud is why Tesla soared out of its near bankruptcy (his words, not mine). It was a fabulous con. And no he has delivered none of it.

A buggy, dangerous level 3 isn't "Fully Self Driving" - by which meant capable of running autonomous robotaxis for huge profit. This year. Right now. He claimed there would be a million of them. And people bought the con.
LOL

Shall we look at your previous predictions (from 2017) for 2020 revenue and profit? t3hbandit opened the door for that. They're pretty ridiculously comical with the benefit of hindsight. Absolutely zero chance of happening but you thought it was possible, even probable. You were dead wrong on Tesla revenue and profit, at a comical level. Millions of bulls like you believing his pure deliberate cynical frauds (FSD and others) and absurd price targets bid the stock up into a giant bubble, but the reality of what is achieved has been awful. Only the stock price has been correct.

Meanwhile, none of the bulls were here at $190 pre split ($39) saying to buy Tesla. Only I was.

When I was looking to buy an EV in August of 2019, the Taycan wasnt an option for me due to only getting a legit 170 miles/charge at the time.

The Mustang wasnt available. Even if it was, Im not buying an lol Mustang. Plus, the first year model of these cars are a stay away for me. They are bound to have kinks just like the Tesla.

Tesla has been producing legit electric cars for over ten years now. The model S is probably the highest rated car of all time for customer satisfaction. (I find it funny that people keep harping on the Model 3’s temporary minor quality control issues, of which they remedied soon after the bad consumer report. My model 3 was made after that and its been flawless so far.)

And like I said, the Etron shouldnt even be considered. Its a glorified hybrid.

"temporary minor quality control issues"

https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/2...quality-survey

But JD Power is probably just a bunch of short-selling pedos. Or, you know, it's a cult.

I mean, there's a freaking app just to inspect new Teslas for defects on delivery:

I mean I literally haven't.

Right on everything except for all the posts I highlighted which I found in 30mins of browsing this thread for a a laugh.

"No viable path to profitability even at 45k".... Right on everything bud.

You clearly have mental health issues and should seek help.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-gm...-idUKKBN27T2LO

I took one look at the JD power survey and it was beyond hilarious. Best cars in the world are Dodge/Chevrolet/Ram/Buick/Cadillac.



Mercedes Benz
Volvo
Audi
Land Rover

Who would want a Mercedes Benz when you could own a RAM

I was always of the understanding that JD Power whatever was a bull sheit marketing thing for US cars.

People really believe it's like a thing?

Whenever I heard that it was like the equivalent of

The Big Mac scores a perfect 5 stars for the 30th year in a row according to the Hamburglar power rankings!

Don't like JD Power? How about Consumer Reports?

Yeah they at least seem legitimate.

I doubt they will even release a CH rendering by then. I think this is more of an autonomous vehicle play than an EV car play for Apple. With Google and Amazon already working on autonomous cars they probably felt compelled to get in on it as a hedge in case the tech actually advances enough to make it a reality in the near future. Plus, with the added perceived value of them working on a self driving car means the added cash burn doesn't hurt their MC

It just doesn't make much sense for them to spend a ton of capital on a low margin business that could possibly damage their reputation if there are production issues.

If one digs a little deeper the serious flaws that CR finds are ”a hair was found in the paint” and ”panel gaps”. Sure these are not great, but I would rather have those flaws than ”outputs toxic gases”, ”limited auto emergency breaking” or ”heave metal block in the crumple zone”, but that’s just me. My X had no panel gaps that I could see and I didn’t see any paint issues. But I am not super picky about these things.

Two more stories out just today...

"While the buyers of some electric vehicles have had to accept certain flaws, Palmer says that this isn’t acceptable for Ford. 'The doors fit properly, the plastics and other materials color-match, the bumpers don’t fall off, the roof doesn’t come off when you wash it, the door handles don’t get stuck in cold weather. ...'" - https://www.autoblog.com/2020/12/25/...darren-palmer/



"temporary minor quality control issues". But at least it doesn't output toxic gases, bro!

Do you guys even read the **** you link here before you post it?

Add Porsche to the list of cars RAM is now outperforming.

Spoiler alert if poll a bunch of yanks on cars they bend over and grab their ankles for American brands. Colour me shocked . USA #1.


Tesla delivers 500k cars in a year and literally 1 person reported hair in paint.
Checkmate Bears.

Ford's Global director says mean things about Tesla, I'm still waiting for your point, did you expect him to direct his customers there?

You should learn more about Consumer Reports before you spout off. If ever there was a self selected bunch of technocrats just waiting to drool over a car company that's working to save the world it's this group. It's amazing they found anything bad to say about Tesla at all.

As for Ram, poor quality light duty trucks just don't survive in the US, much less increase market share.

The article you posted was referring to the the Model Y.

Consumer reports actually recommended the Model 3.

And yet they ranked Tesla--an American brand--second to last? Apparently logic isn't your strong suit.

No, it's rankings for overall brand reliability.

Nice example of moving goalpost. See Tesla are not producing 210k vehicles in Q4, clearly Tesla is a fraud and insanely overvalued, bears are still right!

No demand in China, need to export to India:
(Reuters) -Tesla Inc will come to India early next year, country’s transport minister Nitin Gadkari told national daily the Indian Express on Monday.

The electric-car maker will start with sales and then might look at assembly and manufacturing based on the response, the minister told here the newspaper.

Tesla and the minister’s office could not be reached by Reuters for comment.

India has been keen to reduce its oil dependence and cut down on pollution, but its efforts to promote electric vehicles have been stymied by a lack of investment in manufacturing and infrastructure such as charging stations.

The first model to be launched will be Model 3, the cheapest among Tesla vehicles, with prices starting at over $74,739 (5.5 million Indian rupees), according to a report in the Economic Times on Saturday.

you're saying that as a joke, but they better come up with more places to sell those mic cars to meet the obligations of their chinese loans.

Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Philippines etc. But then they will finally run out of demand.

Next Tesla will release Designed in China small EV to fake growth as this model will eat sales from their bigger Model 3/Y. But this is actually good for the company as they lose money on each sold Model 3 anyway.

why do they even have to export? why don't they sell all the cars they build within china first?
much better margins, bigger and more affluent customer base than all (-singapore) those countries, more government incentives, no tariffs.

Not enough demand in China, Chinese don’t want low quality cars... Zero growth from 2019-2020 and 2021 will be terrible now when demand has been saturated.

i never said any of those things. i'm just asking questions. you don't need to answer if you don't want to.

but in your 10m cars/year in 2030 bull case you'd probably need to sell 2-3m cars/year in china. runrate right now isn't even 10% of that and they are already exporting a ton.