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12-02-2020 , 07:50 PM

#13376

grizy

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I have heard from multiple lawyers and accountants that Tesla is very open about paying well below market salaries and demanding insane dedication. They are looking for true believers willing to give their life and soul to Elon Musk for at least five years.

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12-02-2020 , 07:59 PM

#13377

Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by grizy

Yeah it's basically a revolving sweatshop taking advantage of young people straight out of school who need a big name company on their resume.

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12-02-2020 , 08:00 PM

#13378

NLSoldier

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Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 24,252

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Originally Posted by heltok

$585 seems a pretty bad day to be a bear with skin in the game.

currently no skin in tsla just long spacex. will get some new tsla puts on soon.

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12-02-2020 , 10:53 PM

#13379

heltok

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,695

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Originally Posted by MrFeelNothin

If improvements from update to update are immediately noticeable then Tesla is nowhere close to level 5 autonomy, do you see why?

Nowhere near, just like deepfold was nowhere near solving folding 2years ago...

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12-02-2020 , 11:38 PM

#13380

heltok

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,695

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

Yeah it's basically a revolving sweatshop taking advantage of young people straight out of school who need a big name company on their resume.

Pretty much. But also a lot of fun if you are into that kind of stuff.

https://fortune.com/longform/elon-mu...n-of-the-year/

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SpaceX is soaring. Tesla is roaring. How the world’s most creative and controversial CEO is transforming one industry after another—and why he’s Fortune’s Businessperson of the Year. December 2, 2020 7:30 PM GMT+8

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Whatever his intentions may be, it’s clear that Musk’s public persona is uncensored to a level very few public-company CEOs allow themselves to reach. Internally, within his companies, he is also known for his candor—for better or worse. That brutal honesty, coupled with a demanding and fast-paced atmosphere that former employees say they have yet to experience anywhere else, has made it hard for many execs to stick around for too long. Especially at Tesla, Musk has cycled through an alarming number of executives. The departures aren’t always voluntary. “There was a culture of fear,” says one former human resources staffer from Tesla who did not want to be named. “Anyone could get fired at any point. He [Musk] is ultimately the man at top. He is the king. He can fire, behead anyone he wants. He holds all the cards.” Musk owns some 20% of Tesla’s shares, and the company’s board is stacked with loyalists. Of the five men who made up the original executive team at Tesla, only Musk remains. (JB Straubel, Tesla’s former chief technology officer, departed in July 2019 after 15 years with the automaker.) Many other key people have left, too—from George Blankenship, the VP of worldwide retail, to Greg Reichow, the former VP of operations and production. With every departure, there is presumably a loss of institutional knowledge. And perhaps there is also a ding to the company’s ability to attract yet another round of seasoned executives. One of Tesla’s most recent general counsels (three departed in a 12-month period), Todd Maron, was previously also Musk’s divorce attorney. That’s not to say Maron wasn’t qualified. But it does raise some questions about how wide a pool of A-list candidates Musk is fishing from these days as Tesla’s growth accelerates. And yet: In interview after interview with employees who used to work for Musk, not one said they regretted having joined any of his companies. “For me, it was like getting a gig with Eddie Van Halen,” says Rik Avalos, a former recruiter at Tesla and ex-head of talent at Neuralink, the A.I. startup cofounded by Musk (Avalos is also a longtime musician). “But it takes a lot of mental toughness to be part of an Elon Musk company.

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12-03-2020 , 08:14 AM

#13381

topspinner

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,336

Michael Bury of Big Short fame is now short TSLA

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12-03-2020 , 11:09 AM

#13382

Dream Crusher

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 18,786

Goldman says TSLA has 30% more upside, wooo hooo!

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12-03-2020 , 02:30 PM

#13383

Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

Goldman says TSLA has 30% more upside, wooo hooo!

So nice of them to give us a heads up to exit.

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12-03-2020 , 06:58 PM

#13384

despacito

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Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,369

Musk said Tesla was overvalued at $800 pre-split during recent interview in Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HShn09BUh8

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12-06-2020 , 02:32 PM

#13385

GodgersWOAT

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Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,524

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer

You're going to have to take off your binary blinkers and find a way to unload your Musk love if you want to avoid getting destroyed again on Tesla like you did buying in on $420 "funding secured" fraud, when smarter people told you what reality is.

Stock is up a lovely amount here at $445. If you're planning to hold for the long term you will deeply regret not offloading above $400.

[ ] ragrets
[X] post above pre split

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12-07-2020 , 11:56 AM

#13386

Van Gogh

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 182

Are there any fundamental reasons that prevent companies from reaching certain market capitalization? For example, could I start a company with just a name and if enough people buy the company, the market capitalization is essentially unbounded?

I'm of course asking to understand what (if any) forces could directly prevent Tesla from reaching 1T market cap or beyond - apart from rational traders, which currently do not seem to play the biggest role.

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12-07-2020 , 12:07 PM

#13387

snowie963

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Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,484

10b seems to be a soft cap as far as a basically known fraud can go with regards to NKLA as it has hovered around that cap. Obviously the sky is the limit with a company like Tesla where there are so many unknowns and a lot of promises, hope and speculation.

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12-07-2020 , 01:09 PM

#13388

Xkf

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bought a couple dec18/jan15 570p calendar spreads

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12-07-2020 , 05:02 PM

#13389

WorldBoFree

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,599

Has any stock historically destroyed shorts harder than Tesla? What a bloodbath.

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12-07-2020 , 05:16 PM

#13390

syndr0me

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,682

I lost a decent chunk on my puts, but i have been out of it since $300 pre split,

A small part of me feels lucky, no way this hasnt blown up a lot of accounts

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12-07-2020 , 08:51 PM

#13391

heltok

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,695

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Originally Posted by Van Gogh

Strange question. I guess in most countries it would be uncostitutional to prevent people from bidding up the price if they want.

And I see 1T to be on the table in the near future. Imo Q4 ER will be pretty damned good, a lot better than what shorts said would never happen 1 year ago. But they will sure do some serious mental gymnastics to not admit that they misjudged the company.

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Originally Posted by snowie963

Onecoin’s ”market cap” must have been through the roof as they were just printing money and raising the ”price” all the time.

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12-07-2020 , 09:46 PM

#13392

ChipRick

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,186

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Originally Posted by chytry

they are nowhere close to 4, like not even have any idea how to get there

nowhere close to intelligent, like not even have any idea how to get there

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12-08-2020 , 06:04 AM

#13393

heltok

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,695

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesm...ember-in-china

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Breaking: Tesla China Achieves Record Delivery of 21,604 China-Made Model 3 in November, 78% MoM increased

Giga Shanghai continues to ramp up production in an effort to meet consumer demand for Tesla vehicles - not only in China but also beyond. In November, the company registered 21,604 vehicles (data by CPCA), which is a new record with close to 78% MoM increased.

In October, Tesla sold 12,143 vehicles in China, up 7.18% from September, when the company sold 11,329 units domestically. In addition, the factory produced another 7,000 Model 3s that were shipped to Europe (October), demonstrating a significant increase in production capacity.

According to the company's goals, production will continue to increase, reaching 300,000 Model 3 in 2021. In addition, at the moment Tesla plans to reach a production capacity of 250,000 Model Y in 2021.

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12-08-2020 , 07:50 AM

#13394

BooLoo

adept

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 945

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

So nice of them to give us a heads up to exit.

the goldman upgrade into capital raise indicator has to be the most consistent there is.

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12-08-2020 , 10:01 PM

#13395

theviolator

journeyman

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 332

Why would such a profitable (ahem) company have to raise capital for the third time in nine months? Also if China demand is so strong why on earth would they ship ANY vehicles to Europe?

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12-08-2020 , 10:10 PM

#13396

As1an1nvas1on

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 4,352

probably just sell the news somewhere around dec 21 snp addition

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12-08-2020 , 10:52 PM

#13397

Nonfiction

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issuing stock is bullish apparently

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12-08-2020 , 11:12 PM

#13398

Didace

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Tesla would be foolish not to issue more stock at these prices.

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12-09-2020 , 01:18 AM

#13399

heltok

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Originally Posted by theviolator

Also if China demand is so strong why on earth would they ship ANY vehicles to Europe?

Why not? Europeans don’t like to wait, will be a while before Giga Berlin is up and running and letting European customers wait looks bad. Are you implying that demand is not strong in China? Deliveries grow 78% MoM, needs to grow faster!

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12-09-2020 , 02:44 AM

#13400

coordi

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Originally Posted by heltok

Toyota sold 150,000 cars in China last month. Honda sold 180k.

Tesla is valued 3-12x more than these companies and is currently printing shares like the US mint.

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