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02-04-2020 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pizarro1
These sudden air pockets remind me of TLRY and BYND, those happened well before the final peak as well.
TLRY valuation today might still be more insane than TSLA
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02-04-2020 , 07:04 PM
complete insanity.
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02-04-2020 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me
was that an $80 drop in 10 minutes?
8 minutes

It wasn't fun
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02-04-2020 , 08:19 PM
Saudi Fund Sold Almost All of Tesla Holding Last Quarter
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...cuts-tesla-13f

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Originally Posted by Bloomberg
Saudi Arabia’s sovereign-wealth fund sold almost all of its Tesla Inc. shares last quarter, nearly exiting what had been one of the largest holdings in the electric-car maker.

The Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund held just 39,151 shares at the end of the year, according to a regulatory filing. The fund previously had more than 8.2 million shares and ranked among the five biggest owners, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Welp

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Originally Posted by Kazuya
Basically the lesson learned is don’t short parabolic sentiment based on fundamentals — no one cares.
^^ QFT

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Originally Posted by Kazuya
...is there even any strategy in thinking how high this can realistically go these next few weeks...
Attempting to pick tops/bottoms in a market/stock like this is almost universally a fool's errand imho

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Originally Posted by Didace
I understand Musk is going to invite a bunch of nerds to his house for a party where they will work it all out. Robo-taxis here we come!
Exactly! More red bull than vodka (hackathon Cf. party). Ironic Tesla using pytorch (developed by Facebook AI team). Musk previously trashed Zuck's knowledge of general AI...

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02-04-2020 , 08:22 PM


In case you wonder who is winning in this trade...

Those random lines/ watchlist/ normal guru talk. Wow. Thank God I didn't try to short it yesterday and got this video in my feed. I would cry.
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02-04-2020 , 09:01 PM
Lol, I wonder...if Instagram hoes are making trading videos is a signal for the top?
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02-04-2020 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
He's either a genius or a complete donkey that hit every river in the poker tournament.
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02-04-2020 , 10:58 PM
How does he only have 420 contracts if his last two buys were 446 contracts total and it's a cash account (meaning he couldn't have been short calls)?

Also, how is his unrealized gain more than the total value of the options?

I'm calling fake news.
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02-04-2020 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Love Sosa
Lol, I wonder...if Instagram hoes are making trading videos is a signal for the top?
You wonder?
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02-04-2020 , 11:58 PM
Oh and they literally say "buy to open" which means he can't be closing out short calls or covered calls.

The math actually works for 446 calls (with the unrealized gain/loss) so it looks like just the 420/$4.2M part is photoshopped
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02-05-2020 , 12:06 AM
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So recap:

1) OP spent $125,868 for the right to buy 44,600 shares of TLSA for $1,000/share on or before 3/20/20. Specifically, they bought 446 calls for ~$2.82/call (each call is a contract for 100 shares, so multiply by 100). They did this in a Roth IRA, so none of the gains are taxable. When OP did this, the price/share of TSLA was <$650. The $125,868 purchase price is called option value or premium.

2) People called OP a ******.

3) The stock price of TSLA went up a lot. The option value went up far more because that's what happens with deep OTM calls. OP sold 26 of their calls this morning at an average price of $51.59/call (essentially taking their cost basis off the table, i.e., $134,132).

4) The screenshot shows the remaining 420 calls worth $100/call (i.e., $4.2M). During the course of the day after OP took the screenshot, the price/call went up to ~$150/call (i.e., $6.3M), then fell down to $95/call ($3.99M). Now we all wait to see what happens next!
Apparently he sold calls to get to 420. Not sure why those transactions don't show up in the feed though. Typically a gain like this would be vetted but I didn't see the vetting post, so I make no claims to its authenticity

Also, it was in a Roth. Lol
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02-05-2020 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I'm done watching Tesla at this point, except for the inevitable short-term crash. But what is the next Tesla? I'm not kidding when I say I think there will be dozens and dozens of large caps giving the exact same price action throughout the upcoming year.
If you're using "same" very liberally you might be correct, but there won't likely be anything close to Tesla, certainly not more than one or two.

No other company has a shameless celebrity CEO who is invincible against the law, a massive cult of fanboys with tons of disposable income and zero understanding of equity valuation, government subsidies up the ying yang, a product that allows people to show off their wealth under the guise of environmentalism, fake world changing technologies that the public believes are real, etc. etc. etc.

Having typed that out, I have to wonder why the **** I haven't been long.
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02-05-2020 , 01:50 AM


So my initial guess was right; it's MMs getting blown up by a convexity squeeze since call/put ratio was 14:1. MMs getting run over by legions of levered dumb money.

Which would mean that the time to short is when Robinhood or Reddit call buyers start complaining that they're in the red on their call buys.

I'm getting ready to place an epic all in short.
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02-05-2020 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Morishita System
I'm getting ready to place an epic all in short.
famous last words
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02-05-2020 , 07:19 AM
I caught FOMO bug already. Anyone in EU willing to share information how one can short (preferably with some leverage) or buy options on American market? Offerings in my country at least from reasonably reputable institutions don't seem to include those. Is it even legal for foreigners to buy/sell options on NASDAQ?
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02-05-2020 , 07:46 AM
Yes it's legal and options are mostly traded at the CBOE FYI. It depends on your country, Interactive brokers is available in most. If you have no experience don't put a lot of money into it, options involve a steep learning curve, arguably they are a lot more complex than PLO.
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02-05-2020 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FWWM
Yes it's legal and options are mostly traded at the CBOE FYI. It depends on your country, Interactive brokers is available in most. If you have no experience don't put a lot of money into it, options involve a steep learning curve, arguably they are a lot more complex than PLO.
Understanding them fully might be more complex than plo, but understanding them well enough to gamble on them is significantly less complex
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02-05-2020 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
I caught FOMO bug already. Anyone in EU willing to share information how one can short (preferably with some leverage) or buy options on American market? Offerings in my country at least from reasonably reputable institutions don't seem to include those. Is it even legal for foreigners to buy/sell options on NASDAQ?
If you live oversesas, all brokers are worthless and overly expensive except Interactive Brokers. With them you can bet on any market in the world quite easily as long as you have enough capital ($100K to trade options) and say you have enough experience(3 years, >100 trades). It will take a few days to get an account set up though.

punter is more than intelligent enough to understand how options work. They're dead simple if you're not trying to be clever and just want to leverage a directional opinion with a clear timeframe.
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02-05-2020 , 09:47 AM
How do these type of bubbles end? In BTC the sequence is:

1) Price runup creates hysteria, new buyers fill in
2) Everyone wants to wait and see before selling, maybe 1k will get hit, etc
3) Huge imbalance of paper profits to market price coerces selling, price dips
4) Price dip totally kills the latest (dumbest) of new money
5) Cycle is now broken, everyone waiting to sell gets out on the bid
6) Various dead cat bounces at lower highs until real support is found
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02-05-2020 , 09:53 AM
In penny stocks it usually goes like this:

- Buy up period during which a coordinated pump happens by the fraudulent board/CEO. Usually looking forward to some exciting future event which will never happen. A Musk donkey-carrot like FSD, but on a smaller scale.
- A consistent bid comes in from the pump. During this period it slowly buys up from a smaller group of followers
- It buys up enough that the magnitude of the move starts putting it on the radar of speculators
- It has a big gap up day. The gap goes viral
- Next day is even bigger as the dumb money starts pilling in
- Next day goes huge with blowout volume many multiple of normal
- Next day opens up higher and the stock crashes

Pretty sure Tesla would have followed this trajectory if not for that $100 drop in minutes (probably done by MMs) near close yesterday to spook the longs. I never thought I'd see a $100 billion stock acting like a fraud penny stock, but we're in the bitcoin/viral ponzi age.
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02-05-2020 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Love Sosa
Lol, I wonder...if Instagram hoes are making trading videos is a signal for the top?
Yes, and it shall be called the hoe'dicator. Heave hoe we are near the top.
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02-05-2020 , 10:53 AM
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Understanding them fully might be more complex than plo, but understanding them well enough to gamble on them is significantly less complex
Yeah, I don't plan or hope to outplay the market long term. I just want to gamble on "it's going to crash" giving myself a chance to hit it reasonably big.

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If you live oversesas, all brokers are worthless and overly expensive except Interactive Brokers
Thanks. I will check it out. The problem I've run into so far other than fees you mentioned is that no one offering trades I would want to make seems reputable enough for me to be confident they are going to pay up especially in case of events as big as TSLA burning down. Brokers connected to banks here don't offer options for American market at all.
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02-05-2020 , 10:55 AM
it only took 30 trading minutes for it to hit bear market territory of 20% drop lol
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02-05-2020 , 11:09 AM
small bite short this morning, more at $820, tight stops
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02-05-2020 , 11:11 AM
i am happy that i binked near the top yesterday but sad that i only got my first toe in the water. will probably cover if we hit 6xx today.
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