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01-14-2020 , 04:56 PM

#11026

As1an1nvas1on

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a money heist

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01-14-2020 , 05:03 PM

#11027

Didace

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

$537 pre-market

Someone(s) is definitely using the unlimited Fed repo money to corner the stock.

What stocks other than TSLA get the benefit of this? Why are stocks of companies that actually make money getting the same result?

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01-14-2020 , 05:04 PM

#11028

ToothSayer

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

Imagine Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Val Kilmer, and Tom Sizemore walking into a bank, pulling out guns, ordering everyone to the ground, and demanding all of the cash in the vaults.

Except in this bank, there's more than just cash. There's a printing press too.

What do you think happens next?

Poor analogy imo. Al Pacino is handing over collateral for an overnight loan, then taking the loan, then putting it into stocks, then selling at EOD, then repaying the load. Rinse and repeat. It allows risk to be pushed. It ain't free money as in "here, have some money for free".

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01-14-2020 , 05:14 PM

#11029

BooLoo

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

They don't.
Imagine Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Val Kilmer, and Tom Sizemore walking into a bank, pulling out guns, ordering everyone to the ground, and demanding all of the cash in the vaults.

pacino was the cop in heat!

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Originally Posted by Didace

What stocks other than TSLA get the benefit of this? Why are stocks of companies that actually make money getting the same result?

big short %, a lot of covering, other companies have actual numbers people value them on, tsla is 100% story, a story can be worth anything.

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01-14-2020 , 05:49 PM

#11030

ToothSayer

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Originally Posted by Didace

What stocks other than TSLA get the benefit of this? Why are stocks of companies that actually make money getting the same result?

In the 2000s tech bubble (which the fed also pumped major liquidity into, by the way), it was the worthless companies that screamed higher while the value companies majorly underperformed or actually got sold off to pile into the headline crap. The more ridiculous the company, the higher it shot. The better the value, the worse it performed.

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Even though the Nasdaq Composite rose 85.6% and the S&P 500 Index rose 19.5% in 1999, more stocks fell in value than rose in value as investors sold stocks in slower growing companies to invest in Internet stocks.

An unprecedented amount of personal investing occurred during the boom and stories of people quitting their jobs to engage in full-time day trading were common. The news media took advantage of the public's desire to invest in the stock market; an article in The Wall Street Journal suggested that investors "re-think" the "quaint idea" of profits, and CNBC reported on the stock market with the same level of suspense as many networks provided to the broadcasting of sports events.

At the height of the boom, it was possible for a promising dot-com company to become a public company via an IPO and raise a substantial amount of money even if it had never made a profit—or, in some cases, realized any material revenue.

VW and Tesla are classic cases today. A company making $13 billion on $250 billion in revenue on 10 million cars is eclipsed by a company losing $1 billion/year on $22 billion in revenue on 360K cars.

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01-14-2020 , 06:35 PM

#11031

Dream Crusher

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer

This reminded me of Jim Cramer's The Winners of the New World Top 10 must own stocks back in 2000.

"We try to own every one of them. Every single one. And if I had my druthers, I wouldn't own any other stocks in the year 2000. Because these are the only ones worth owning right now in this extremely difficult, extremely narrow stock market. They are the only ones that are going higher consistently in good days and bad. I love every one of them, just as I loathe the rest of the stock universe. "

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01-14-2020 , 08:35 PM

#11032

despacito

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China’s Auto Market Showing Cracks
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-...om-11578949633

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01-15-2020 , 05:33 AM

#11033

rickroll

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

Quality post

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01-15-2020 , 01:38 PM

#11034

SuperSwag

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could be rumor but Tesla going to buy Cobalt mine in China. Don't know the details.

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01-15-2020 , 05:44 PM

#11035

TeflonDawg

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I need to see that ARK thesis again. Was there a line in there saying Trump pump?

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01-15-2020 , 07:16 PM

#11036

the pleasure

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

I mean, almost everything is going up. But if you want to know why TSLA is going up a **** ton more than anything else, remember:

Elon is the ultimate huckster. Over-promise, never deliver, keep on promising more and more stuff while getting taxpayer subsidies, taxpayer rebates for his customers, loan after loan after loan from his bankers, etc. etc.

Tesla has been around 17 years. Seventeen years. That's a long time. They have never made money, and they never will. That's not the goal of the company. The cars and employees and factories are all bells and whistles meant as distractions and nothing more. It's a finance game with a nutcase chanting over and over again at the center of his three-ring circus.

damn

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01-15-2020 , 07:59 PM

#11037

despacito

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@Swag Cobalt thing looks like a supply agreement with commodities giant Glencore.

@Teflon ARK/Wood upgraded 5-year forecast from $4,000 to $6,000 this week. Model will be published on github soon. Not sure about Trump pump - US department of energy announced it will support domestic energy storage capabilities, starting with a $150M award - could that be it? No guarantee Tesla benefits from that though.

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01-15-2020 , 09:04 PM

#11038

despacito

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ARK 5-yr valuation model (from May, not yet updated)

https://github.com/ARKInvest/ARK-Inv...7.19_v3.5.xlsx

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01-15-2020 , 09:28 PM

#11039

rickroll

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May be a fish at the tables but I assume he's not a fish in his wheelhouse

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01-15-2020 , 09:54 PM

#11040

ChipRick

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Originally Posted by rickroll

May be a fish at the tables but I assume he's not a fish in his wheelhouse

not his wheelhouse...

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01-15-2020 , 10:08 PM

#11041

coordi

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Perkins is an Energy trader, this is just some gamboooool

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01-15-2020 , 11:49 PM

#11042

despacito

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Originally Posted by coordi

Perkins is an Energy trader, this is just some gamboooool

Decent runout. @$518.5 now.

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01-16-2020 , 04:58 AM

#11043

Pippi

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Whatever you think about Elon Musk, just remember

Spoiler:

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01-16-2020 , 09:54 AM

#11044

Nonfiction

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sub 500 pm

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01-16-2020 , 10:30 AM

#11045

coordi

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Lol at the analyst whiplash. Let's just pump to 540 off Oppenheimer. Oh, Morgan Stanley lowered their price target??? Yeet!

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01-16-2020 , 10:45 AM

#11046

solid first post

centurion

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Buy the dip!!!111

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01-16-2020 , 03:02 PM

#11047

the pleasure

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not that bad of a gamble.

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01-16-2020 , 05:00 PM

#11048

Kelvis

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Originally Posted by coordi

Lol at the analyst whiplash. Let's just pump to 540 off Oppenheimer. Oh, Morgan Stanley lowered their price target??? Yeet!

I'm actually surprised that anyone who is either long or short still gives one single **** about what Jonas has to say about anything.

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01-16-2020 , 05:14 PM

#11049

Sokz

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Or any analyst for that matter. Christ the only thing they do is massage their model to get a TP +/- 10%

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01-16-2020 , 05:28 PM

#11050

stinkypete

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

I'm actually surprised that anyone who is either long or short still gives one single **** about what Jonas has to say about anything.

There's enough salt in this post to clear I-90 for an entire winter

Glad to hear you finally saved up enough to buy a share of TSLA at $547

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