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12-26-2019 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
User interfaces aren't that complex. The back end is a much bigger deal.
I'm sure he could parlay his skills on programming FSD and a UI into a nice gig regardless rather than brag about it on an online forum, so much demand for that thesedays.
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12-26-2019 , 01:20 PM
ASAP, any random group of teens could recreate the Netflix UI in a single evening hackathon. UI is simple, as didace stated, it's the backend that powers what shows up in that UI which is complicated.

I make apps for a living. When we want changes made to the design it takes hours vs weeks to actually get what we want behind those designs to work.
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12-26-2019 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
ASAP, any random group of teens could recreate the Netflix UI in a single evening hackathon. UI is simple, as didace stated, it's the backend that powers what shows up in that UI which is complicated.

I make apps for a living. When we want changes made to the design it takes hours vs weeks to actually get what we want behind those designs to work.
Any apps we've heard of so I can see you and/or your team's work?

You also say you work with startups so same question...
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12-26-2019 , 01:31 PM
Yeah I'm going to dox myself to an ignorant teenager that already has a reputation for stalking people online because I'm looking for his approval.

Seriously man, go back to school or something instead of patrolling here with your wisdom and going on witchunts for mythical millionaires.

I really hope they ip ban you, this place would improve immensely.
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12-26-2019 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
Yeah I'm going to dox myself to an ignorant teenager that already has a reputation for stalking people online because I'm looking for his approval.

Seriously man, go back to school or something instead of patrolling here with your wisdom and going on witchunts for mythical millionaires.

I really hope they ip ban you, this place would improve immensely.
Thanks for the response Rick, I look forward to more of your content in the future especially if its like this.
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12-26-2019 , 01:44 PM
I'm convinced you've stolen your daddy's account as that's the only plausible way you'd have an account that old.

You claim to live in the bay area and yet think millionaires don't exist... You realize how much money it requires just to own a home there? I refuse to believe you aren't a child.
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12-26-2019 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
I'm convinced you've stolen your daddy's account as that's the only plausible way you'd have an account that old.

You claim to live in the bay area and yet think millionaires don't exist... You realize how much money it requires just to own a home there? I refuse to believe you aren't a child.
I didn't even bring that topic up, TS did so you are kind of obsessed? I just wanted to find out who the users are that use this thread (and more broadly BFI) for serious investing advice specifically the millionaires. It wasn't like I was saying they don't exist, yes as someone who lives in the Bay there are millionaires and multi million dollar homes all around me. Doesn't mean they are on 2+2 and in your OP you basically agreed with me the sample here is likely to have a lower percentage but thanks?
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12-26-2019 , 01:55 PM
The median house price where you live is a million dollars

You think millionaires aren't real

You spend your free time spamming financial threads taking very strong stances on things you've admittedly don't even trade in yourself

I'm done with this derail. For your own sake just stop posting here. You're a joke. Not one person here takes you seriously.

I wouldn't care about any of that if you actually bothered to research and have informed opinions but you shoot from the hip instead of taking 10 seconds to Google it first and you do nothing but fill this thread with bs and ignorance. You contribute nothing and a lot of what you post is just outright ignorant. Please stop and don't bother responding you're already on my blocked list

Just do the thread a favor and bow out or actually research stuff before your write anything.

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12-26-2019 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
The median household price where you live is a million dollars

You think millionaires aren't real

You spend your free time spamming financial threads

I'm done with this derail. For your own sake just stop posting here. You're a joke. Not one person here takes you seriously.
Lol how many times can I say I believe there are millionaires just not ones that are making huge money off what's being said in this thread.

That's fine, like I said when you first started obsessing on this topic I'm here to have fun and be myself. Have a good day dude, I hope to live up to your lofty standards (which you are totally not being a hypocrite on) in the future.
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12-26-2019 , 02:18 PM
ASAP17,

Name a registered charity that you care about. I'll donate $100 USD to it. If I don't do this (and post proof of course) mods can forever ban me from 2p2. If I do do this, you promise to stop posting in this thread. I'm happy to do this and you can then bow out of this thread gracefully and not have to worry about TS/other TSLA ppl here. I mean this sincerely, please let me know.
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12-26-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazuya
ASAP17,

Name a registered charity that you care about. I'll donate $100 USD to it. If I don't do this (and post proof of course) mods can forever ban me from 2p2. If I do do this, you promise to stop posting in this thread. I'm happy to do this and you can then bow out of this thread gracefully and not have to worry about TS/other TSLA ppl here. I mean this sincerely, please let me know.
We've already been through this once remember? You said you'd ignore me like Rick and TS just said above. Don't really care about $100 to charity... Said it multiple times, I will stop posting here if TS provides a screenshot of any of his bullish TSLA trades off the May/June lows. Maybe you can donate to him personally to encourage him?
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12-26-2019 , 02:36 PM
What is it you're trying to actually get at -- that he doesn't provide value? Multiple people have already come into this thread and said you're more or less cancer and want you to GTFO, while in parallel saying they appreciate posters who aren't just noise. The real question is why do you feel the need to be the gatekeeper of this thread, as if people need to prove themselves to you? Whether they are millionaires or trade entries or app designers. That would be like me asking you to prove to me you don't live in your moms basement while you shitpost all day. It's a public forum, understand you're not the police and you have an inferiority complex and you ruin the spirit/ethos of this thread by providing absolutely nothing but negativity and low content.

You know what's funny, even if he somehow didn't make any of these trades it wouldn't really change my mind on his analysis. Why? Because I can evaluate words on their own without an emotional charge on who is posting them. Realize posters like him or others have absolutely nothing to prove to me or you, I can read his thoughts and decide for myself like an adult whether they're worthwhile. And if they're somehow not worthwhile, just GTFO and stop posting responses to them.. we already know you disagree, and others don't, so yeah just leave it there like an adult.
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12-26-2019 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazuya
What is it you're trying to actually get at -- that he doesn't provide value? Multiple people have already come into this thread and said you're more or less cancer and want you to GTFO, while in parallel saying they appreciate posters who aren't just noise. The real question is why do you feel the need to be the gatekeeper of this thread, as if people need to prove themselves to you? Whether they are millionaires or trade entries. That would be like me asking you to prove to me you don't live in your moms basement while you shitpost all day. It's a public forum, understand you're not the police and you have an inferiority complex and you ruin the spirit/ethos of this thread by providing absolutely nothing but negativity and low content.

You know what's funny, even if he somehow didn't make any of these trades it wouldn't really change my mind on his analysis. Why? Because I can evaluate words on their own without an emotional charge on who is posting them. Realize posters like him or others have absolutely nothing to prove to me or you, I can read his thoughts and decide for myself like an adult whether they're worthwhile. And if they're somehow not worthwhile, just GTFO and stop posting responses to them.. we already know you disagree, and others don't, so yeah just leave it there like an adult.
To each their own, we all get different value out of this sub and who's saying what. I don't really care about being liked but I do care that I'm not breaking any forum rules. I also think it's hilarious so many people who provide NOTHING of value have opinions on who is worthy and who isn't. So maybe I do as well, but at least I've got company. We have a moderation thread and you guys are welcome to use report post, the mods are already evaluating the sub as we speak so now is a good opportunity.
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12-26-2019 , 06:14 PM
TeslaQ's o just got a bit more O today.
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12-26-2019 , 07:34 PM
People like ts for the same reason so many people buy trading systems and advice. His posts attempt to express certainty where, in fact, outcomes are inherently uncertain.

This is why feelings get hurt when you confront his obviously dubious trading claims and "analysis". People want to follow gurus because it unchains them from the responsibility of their own trading decisions. It allows their egos to remain intact while getting blitzed and being completely wrong on calling tsla a fraud.
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12-26-2019 , 11:25 PM
Made a robusto prediction yesterday Elon Musk was 100% fraud, and provided 24 headlines from major media outlets to support that. It's easy to lose sight of the forest for the trees however, so I wanted to pull back and give a big picture overview.

If you watched the Letterman appearance (which I highly recommend), it's emphasized electric cars aren't new technology. In fact they've been around for 100 years. What people might not be aware of is solid fuel rocket technology is also 100 years old (brief history of rockets.) Jack Parsons of JPL laboratories was the genius in this field - not Elon - and the book Sex and Rockets is highly recommended even for those not into the occult.

So, you may be wondering if solid fuel rocket technology is old news what's replaced it? Rainbows of course. Project Rainbow that is - AKA The Philadelphia Experiment. Yup, the military has working teleportation technology based on Nikola Tesla's designs. You can see how what I said about Musk not being anywhere close to the highest levels of power is reinforced here. You wouldn't let this goofball near anything important would you? Didn't think so (this is pre hair plugs of course):



Anyway, the point I was trying to make was fraud. Geniuses innovate and push fields forward. They don't make minor improvements to 100 year old technology. Beethoven was performing in public at 7 years old. In other words, he was better at music at age 7 than some who toiled away for 70 years. It's something you're born with. (Cue Tarantino monologue about Superman).

Geniuses disrupt. In fact, that's the signature or fingerprint of genius similar to a seismographic reading that indicates an earthquake. If you're looking for it (genius), then look for someone causing trouble. Elon seems to be firmly part of the establishment because he's getting protection from somewhere despite belonging in jail.

Back to teleportation technology though. What might be the mechanics of this? Fortunately, it's been to shown to us. By accident. That would be the Phoenix Lights seen in 1997. A malfunction of the black triangles which make up the real space program. The space shuttles you see travel on the "surface" of space, while black triangles move "through" it (imagine a bubble).

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12-26-2019 , 11:29 PM
lol (this thread is getting weird and OT)

@TS thought Shanghai already manufacturing (not merely assembling) may be wrong though. They started taking orders in Oct for local manufactured models at 2-3% lower than price of imports (I also think they might discount China manufactured M3s further maybe up to 10-20% in 2020).
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12-27-2019 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
User interfaces aren't that complex. The back end is a much bigger deal.
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Originally Posted by rickroll
ASAP, any random group of teens could recreate the Netflix UI in a single evening hackathon. UI is simple, as didace stated, it's the backend that powers what shows up in that UI which is complicated.
From a quality perspective, there's going to be a huge difference between whatever you're able to whip up in a week or a year or 10 years and what Netflix actually provides. Small things can matter a great deal and Netflix knows what those things are, you don't. Netflix's UI (across a lot of different devices) is pretty amazing all things considered and currently miles ahead of Disney+.

With that said, content is more important but Disney definitely doesn't have Netflix beat there yet. My current feeling is that Netflix has something for almost everyone, while Disney+ has a huge amount of content for certain types of viewers (which most of those viewers have already paid for and seen) but not enough for others. Disney's institutional knowledge may work against them too. The content acquisition strategy for a business that sells content a la carte should be different from the content acquisition strategy for a business that sells subscription - it's unclear that Disney is disciplined enough to effectively straddle between the two, despite internal political pressure that may tilt one way or another. Netflix likely has a massive advantage in being able to gather strategic insight from data as well.

Keep in in mind that Netflix's growth is almost entirely coming from outside the US and I think their investments in originals in international markets and growing ability to handle content distribution worldwide over time will create a fairly strong moat. With that said, it's a really tough business and I haven't looked at their financials or anything so don't take this as an investment thesis.
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12-27-2019 , 02:06 AM
I don't think its quite OT yet because there's the old saying about how pets take on the personality of their owners. Well, the same thing is true in business where the company will take on the personality of the CEO. So, I feel it's important to know as much about that individual as possible before investing.

Here's a link many might find helpful in their 'due diligence' (which usually takes about 30-60 days):

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2...ether.html?m=1

The gist of it is Elon is intertwined in the whole Jeffrey Epstein/Lolita Express saga. Apparently, Ghislaine Maxwell was Epstein's pimp and set Elon up to be recorded for blackmail. Ghislaine paid Tallulah Riley $10,000 to have sex with Musk and video record him doing cocaine all night long with a hidden camera in her purse (if I was a woman this would cost much more than $10k, but she was also promised movie/TV roles - this also destroyed his marriage BTW).

Long story short, Elon is now beholden to Ghislaine because this video would end his career. Musk is not the one calling the shots is what I'm trying to say. Even if you think Elon might be a genius, Ghislaine Maxwell is running his companies - a 'silent partner' if you will, and you may want to look into her if you have money on the line because she's the pimp or 'Iceberg Slim' and Musk is the bottom ***** as Chappelle would describe it in one of his recent specials lol.
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12-27-2019 , 02:58 AM
As much as I see you going off into the deep end here GS, I appreciate that you're sharing links and have at least thought it out.

This is the kind of "wtf is he talking about post" I don't mind seeing regardless of whether or not I agree with what you wrote

You guys should read musk's biography by Vance, it's really quite good
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12-27-2019 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by despacito
@TS thought Shanghai already manufacturing (not merely assembling) may be wrong though. They started taking orders in Oct for local manufactured models at 2-3% lower than price of imports (I also think they might discount China manufactured M3s further maybe up to 10-20% in 2020).
As far as I understand this is just a pump by highly dishonest bulls/Tesla-paid shills and they're > 6 months aways from a full manufacturing operation. Car plants just don't go up that fast. It takes forever to install and calibrate the robots, fine tune the processes, sort out flow issues, get reliable supply lines in place, train staff and weed out the bad ones.

Will it matter that it's just a lying pump when even informed people like yourself think they're doing full manufacturing already? Not sure.
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12-27-2019 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
As far as I understand this is just a pump by highly dishonest bulls/Tesla-paid shills and they're > 6 months aways from a full manufacturing operation. Car plants just don't go up that fast. It takes forever to install and calibrate the robots, fine tune the processes, sort out flow issues, get reliable supply lines in place, train staff and weed out the bad ones.
Possibly true, I am still not sure. Things can move faster in China though. Tech Crunch and CNBC reporting China-made deliveries start next week. But it looks like a token number (15) and only to employees which has been over-hyped.
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12-27-2019 , 10:19 AM
I'm in no position to speculate on the status of the plant.

But calibrating robots is no small matter. I know a number of China based startups trying to tackle that issue because it's by far the biggest bottleneck in manufacturing.
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12-27-2019 , 10:34 AM
Yeah all the analysis I've read from auto experts (months ago) says that there's no possible way Tesla has manufacturing lines up and putting out meaningful volume before mid year. These are from people very familiar with China auto manufacturing for the majors, who are way more competent/practiced than Tesla in all this. Remember they're starting from scratch as well with talent, staff, management, logistics, etc.

Right now it's hand assembly of US-made and locally externally supplied parts to test and calibrate processes, train up staff, and they're putting some cars together while they do this, at a huge loss of course. Profitability will start when the actual lines are at volume. This doesn't matter since Chinese banks will gladly underwrite until they're up to volume manufacturing.

China has been great for pumps - the pure lies about it starting manufacturing by end of year have added $50+ to the stock price imo, just like Musk's pure deliberate fraud of 5000/week Model 3 by the of 2017 added $100 - but I think nothing actually meaningful in terms of real 100% China-made cars will come from it for a while.

The real potential upside is Y coming online early in the new year. IF they're way ahead of schedule (and it's possible, it's mostly a 3 line in the same factory which is a mature, debugged process and they've been on it for 6+ months as best I can tell) and IF Y doesn't flop/cannabalize Model 3 (they had less than 10K preorders and the back row of seats is a joke, but it's also 3x the market size for crossovers), then you could see volume and real excitement coming in.

The main evidence for them being ahead of a schedule is a rumor, reported by an analyst himself reporting an Asian newspaper, that Y suppliers have been told to be ready 6 months earlier. And Musk also claimed that they were well ahead on Y. So it's thin but it's plausible because it's not a total greenfield + new staff like China.

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12-27-2019 , 11:40 AM
I posted about a month ago that There were videos of model 3s rolling out of Shanghai factory and said they would not start deliveries in earnest till next year even if the factory ramps up production before the year ends.

Looks like their plan is deliver a token number to say they got started in 2019 then ramp up next quarter.
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