Projection is not a crime

Had you actually been to law school (or acquired the common knowledge of someone older than 10) you'd realize that "presumption of innocence" doesn't apply in civil trials, and it's not about guilt or innocence but rather the preponderance of evidence.

Musk seems to have won because of good lawyers who smeared Unworth in any way they could against a Musk-friendly audience in California, and his own lawyer doing a very poor job with a layup
At this point Musk has gotten away with:

- Massive public securities fraud
- Self dealing in Solarcity
- Dozens of blatant lies
- Defaming a completely innocent person as a pedophile, multiple times.

Damn, dude straight up called a guy a diddler to 20 million people and faced no consequences. Unreal.

The point is you did not know the facts or the law yet formed a strongly held opinion that Musk would be liable based on the plaintiff's submissions and/or trashy media outlets.

Utterly tactless and irrational.

Well if that's what you meant then you're as bad at making your point as Unworth's lawyers were (who were very bad). Another dumb swing and a miss from you.

Musk is as liable for this as OJ was for killing his wife, or Musk's buddy Eppstein was for pedophilia. Multiple lawyers interviewed by news organizations expressed surprise at the verdict as Musk was clearly defaming here and the case was very strong.

That you defend a guy who hangs out with and reportedly gets help from actual known pedophile pimps (while smearing heroes who criticize him as pedophiles and lies about them having child brides) just shows what an piece of **** you are. I mean, that's not in doubt at this point, but thanks for doing the extra bit of confirmation for us all.

In civil court, plaintiff has to prove his/her case before the defendant is held liable.

In other words, in civil court defendant is presumed "not liable" until proven otherwise.

This should be painfully obvious.

I'll admit I thought there is no way Musk wins 100% at this trial. GJ.

This trial was never a big deal though imo. The events that happened and how he handled it afterwards just showed the type of character Musk is, which was the important thing and has not changed.

The important trial is the SolarCity trial. It could sink Elon and Tesla's share price.

Are you saying a defendant is not prima facie liable the moment Gawker publishes a **** piece?

Would that change if the plaintiff's attorney posts submissions on Twitter?

I think we need confirmation from 2+2's in-house almost counsel (AKA TS).

Best post itt.

It's not even a good post. It's completely wrong.

Legal opinion from multiple lawyers interviewed by mainstream news: This was a very strong case, almost open/shut, that Musk is liable. The decision by the jury is comically wrong.

Legal opinion from the gaggle of losers/Musk fanboys on 2p2: Musk did nothing wrong! Everyone who said he did is wrong!

I know who I'm siding with:

Those quotes are the end of the argument for anyone sane. As usual, Musk fans completely fail to grasp reality, and after horribly idiotic analysis, see a 2 outer as validating their position.

The same failure of logic lost them a fortune in "funding secured", where the logic was clearly that Musk was committing securities fraud and that it was a clear short as a result, but their priors are so ****ed up that they couldn't see that.

Musk is clearly wrong here, both morally and legally, and money/great lawyers/a jury fluke got him off. It happens. Enjoy it (just like fish enjoy a 2 outer on the river), but don't try reaching into something it's not, you just end up looking even more ridiculous.

You know a judge can throw out the verdict and rule in favor of the plaintiff if it was such a "comically" wrong verdict.

BTW defamation is one of the hardest torts to prove. This case was never open and shut simply for that reason. Besides being wrong on everything, I'm enjoying your deep and insightful analysis. Tell us more baby!

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You are the fish here bro. You keep losing and losing yet proclaiming how great a player you are.

Let us know what side of TSLA you are on so we can fade you. I see you have been playing both sides lately. I'm guessing that is so you can call victory later when TSLA moves one way or the other.

What do I keep "losing and losing"? You'd turn green if I posted my Tesla trades this year.

P.S. 1050 completely useless posts now, the majority of them weirdly about me. What the **** is wrong with you that a) you're so obsessed with a random dude on the Internet and b) you think the worthless trash you constantly post is relevant to anyone? At least I post substantial content that is sometimes of interest to both bulls and bears.

I honestly don't even know where Musk got sued but I am going to guess the defamation statute required more than a preponderance of evidence on at least one of the elements.

You use the term "content" loosely.

If googling American law practice then regurgitating what you find in posts is "content" then I guess you are right. Other than that most of what you post is ad hom's and rants. Sorry bro, I think it's time you leave this forum. No one wants you here.

I don't know what entertains yet saddens me more. Reading the nonsense of Mark Spiegel of TardSayer. Both are just mental cases that appear to live in their own little bubble, I think Spiegel is slightly worse though.

What were his damages even? Feeling bad? The state I'm in doesn't even recognize emotional distress damages except in very rare carve outs. If they were damage to his job or professional reputation, wasn't he just a cab driver or something? He would have recovered like 50k.

The thing that is hard to understand is why Musk actually paid for this to go to trial. Offer the guy 100k and save 100k on litigation costs. He must have really hated the guy/ or he was a real deal pedo.

I've posted lots of quality content that non-losers are grateful for.

Let's see if you'll back up your aspersions. If I can get BFI 20 regulars who want me to stay, you leave for good and get banned on sight if you post in BFI. If I can't, I leave for good. I know you won't take this because you're a coward, but if you want me gone so badly and aren't a liar and actually believe the bolded, you should snap call. Offer stands.
If I've said nonsense, why not call it out? All the sane people (not turtletom, ASAP17 or you) are here to make money and understand the stock better so we can trade better.

The last time you called out my "nonsense" was when I called $420 funding secured a fraud and said a short was clearly the right play. You got abusive and upset. Look how that turned out....perhaps the nonsense is yours?

Better yet why don't you start a thread where you post trades and show us how profitable you are......oh, wait.


Lol. One $40 dollar losing trade later...

Looks like Shanghai is on (expected) pace. Anecdotal evidence suggests it's already producing at reasonable volume (think ~100/day) and shipping to distribution centers.

Model 3 is already on approved list to receive ~$3,500 in subsidies.

Unclear if they got sales approval yet. Even if they did, I think Musk will hold deliveries until next quarter to launch the Chinese made Tesla Model 3's in earnest. Also gives them a little more time to prep the distribution/service networks that I have no doubt will still not be ready next year when the cars ship.

Western media seems to be saying manufacturing and subsidies approved but not yet sales (assume this is a lock too but do not know the regulations).

But..



*** might be fake news (reported @teslacn account to twitter, if they ban it is obv fake, does not have blue check mark)

It cannot possibly be producing cars. The experts at TeslaQ said it was a mud field that would never produce any cars and that it was a scam.

I honestly don't think it matters whether they have approval at this point in time. It's clear Tesla/Musk got the backings of some really big shots in the CCP and that basically guarantees he'll get th permits when he needs them.

In that way, a corrupt country actually suits Musk better. In China, good relationships can paper over incompetence whereas in the US, a lot of the time, you're just SoL if you miss a deadline even if you got the POTUS backing your project.

DO you all believe this will be a 4 figure stock in 4 years?

Porsche Taycan gets an EPA rated range of 201 miles. Oof, that's bad. For comparison the 2020 Model S is 375 (348 for performance) and the 2012 Model S was 265. For long road trips the range is way more important than max charging speed. This car will be difficult to use for road trips in the US unless the charging infrastructure is REALLY good, especially in winter.

https://ww.electrek.co/2019/12/11/po...ile-epa-range/