Why I Ordered a Tesla CyberTruck!
Marques Brownlee

You're trying to change arguments here. I have no doubt FSD will become legal in virtually every jurisdiction in the world. But that wasn't the point, the point was that the design of the Cybertruck is terrible for pedestrians/bicyclists. Without a compelling technical reason (which they almost certainly don't have) there's literally no reason to allow this design. FSD being safer than pre-FSD is irrelevant here. It's just FSD pedestrian killer vs a FSD non-pedestrian killer.


Lol, I'm not surprised you find this demonstration effective.

The answer of "but FSD!" to the issue of the Tesla truck potentially being a safety concern is stupid in so many ways.

1) Everyone here has seen Tesla's execution of solving FSD upto now, right?
Tesla wont solve FSD anytime soon, and wont be first to market. I also can't imagine a scenario where Tesla accepts its defeat and uses another FSD technology in its cars.

2) Even if Tesla miraculously achieves success with FSD, it will be decades until FSD is mandatory, and still is a safety concern for drivers not chosing to use FSD.

3) Even if you ignore all that, FSD wont solve road safety. Do we accept stupid unsafe design over 1.000 additional deaths a year? 100? 10?

4) Even if you ignore all ****ing that, don't you agree just out of principle that vehicle safety should always win over design? If the design raises safety concerns, the design has issues.

At 7:05:

Emphasis mine.

Peak Tesla.

Yet to see a compelling argument for Cybertruck being more dangerous than existing models of truck/4WD (which I agree are horrendous for pedestrians and imo should not be allowed in suburban areas, but that is a broader issue).

Obviously FSD is relevant though.

No crumple zone = people inside the truck die like dogs in even lower speed crashes (the 1950s called and want their car death statistics back).

Rigid exterior skeletons without give or curves = much harder impact on pedestrians in even soft collisions. Cars have squishy, giving exteriors for a reason.

This is like you swallowing Musk's claim that he'd put solar on superchargers and disconnect from the grid - the tiniest bit of worldly experience and/or rational thought would have made you realize that his claim was pure bullshit (watts/m^2 vs throughput!! simple math!!!) but your brain failed you there and it's failing you here as well. Of course this truck is super crazy dangerous. And your FSD dodge is dog-ate-my-homework level LOL man.

I think the argument was whether or not it was physically possible to do this, which it obviously is (I know you disagree, but you are laughably wrong, and you failed to rebut the physics I put forth on this point, you dismissed it without evidence or reasoning). Tesla claim they will do that themselves, which I think is possible, but with electrification of the grid, it matters less in the long run.

All Tesla vehicles to date have performed superbly in crash tests, I expect nothing less from the production version of the Cybertruck, until then it is an academic argument.

Really? You really want to revisit the fact that it would require football fields worth of solar panels to power a medium sized supercharger? Which are usually in urban areas? Good God.

You asked for reasons, you got them in spades, now you shift the goalposts? You need to change your name to desperado. It's certainly possible they will change the design - they are likely not releasable in anything close to where they are now even ignoring the smashed windows - but in the current design they are dumb death traps compared to other cars.

Of course they will change the design. It is an absolute lock. The demo does not have indicators, windscreen wipers, or airbags. I expect a bunch of enhancements mostly for safety and performance, probably aesthetic too though.

I know the math (I posted it way back itt). I am not arguing powering every supercharger with its own solar panel array would be an optimal strategy, merely that it is possible. Centralized large-scale power production would be more efficient and economic, obviously. I think we mostly agree about this. You re-opened the topic and misrepresented my position...

This little conversation started with an expert on car safety saying why it was more dangerous than existing models and you dismissing him because of FSD and how that would avoid all accidents.

A click bait Australian news website, quoting an Australian car safety expert, who is speculating about an as yet unreleased/not finalized model, who did not say what you say he said. Try again. Quoting that guy:

welp.

despacito, why do you read like a desperate dishonest shill? Just as a little microcosm of your rabid dishonesty, you even lie about your own posting:

You never posted any math. I schooled you about the math when you clownishly thought that it was viable for Musk to put solar on superchargers and shut down the grid connection. Your claim above is a flat out lie.
I didn't disagree at all, you lie about my position now.
You never put any physics forth.

You're a desperate dishonest shill using a 10 year old's sophistry and straight up lies. Now you're wasting everyone's time trying to sophist away the point (made by an expert as well as a basic common sense) that the "Cybertruck" as designed is a death trap that wouldn't be road legal in many countries.

Hah, quoting a single one of his quotes doesn’t prove he didn’t say what I say he said. Tooth posted the relevant quote (and there are others in the article) earlier.

Anyway, I guess you’ve come on-board with my position that the current design is likely bad for other people and will not be approved by various regulators regardless of the state of FSD. I’m glad we got that all cleared up.

Yeah this sums it up pretty well:

Once you add stuff it needs like normal lights, turn signals, internal wheel wells, etc to make it road legal/basically functional, it will look even more ridiculous.

This is the car version of Musk's fake solar roofs unveiled at the set of desperate housewives. Just a fake show of a non-working prototype

I just don’t see the need for a sledgehammer proof car that’s probably taking battery life away from the vehicle. If people wanted armored vehicles they could (and some do) buy military surplus hummers.

2 years away at a minimum. It’s just a concept car now. Pretty amazing Musk can get 200k people to put on a hundred bucks for a car that may never go into production. You can bet that 200k people are going to zealously advocate for all things Tesla.

Even if you’re a bear, you have to appreciate the phenomenon. Tesla spends essentially nothing on marketing and yet it gets more press than anyone else.

Like Apple, they make products people love.

Its not just that, Elon is a genius at marketing

https://electrek.co/2019/12/03/tesla...ales-approval/

- Gigafactory 3 has manufacturing license
- 200 M3s produced
- cannot sell cars in China until obtain license
- aiming to manufacture 3,000 cars per week by Q1 2020

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593

Elon musk wins "pedo guy" case

Had TS finished law school he would be familiar with the presumption of innocence.

Growing up calling people ****** and ****** was common too, but pretty sure ****** can get you charged with a hate crime now

I did imagine all sorts of ways for Unsworth to lose this case despite having all the facts and elements on his side, but this never occurred to me. Lol juries.

I guess the other British expat guy who found the kids should sue

I felt like the most likely outcome in this was that the jury would rule in Unsworth's favor but then award minimal damages since it seemed like pretty quickly people figured out that Elon was making **** up, but seems absolutely wild if that was actually the jury's reasoning. I'm sure I could find dozens if not hundreds of articles from that day that make it clear who he was obviously referring to, but I guess they're not a reasonable person.