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11-22-2019 , 11:38 AM
Wasn't tooth just trying to talk Morshita out of a new or added short position?


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He sure loves losing money. Lol.


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It wasn't him. It was his sophisticated model though.


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Profit?
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11-22-2019 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by turtletom
Wasn't tooth just trying to talk Morshita out of a new or added short position?


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He sure loves losing money. Lol.


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It wasn't him. It was his sophisticated model though.


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Profit?
The funniest thing is it's so obvious he doesn't actually trade this name, you can easily tell the difference in guys like Morish and syndr0me compared to his style despite the fact that they all are perma bears. Kudos to the former on actually owning up to their losses/updating us on their books rather than pretending they are almost always on the right side of the price action & straddling both sides to make it appear you aren't wrong. The credibility of someone who says he's been bullish since $190 yet creams his pants and runs in here to make multiple posts on the first down move, news story/announcement in weeks is just a bit suspect no?
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11-22-2019 , 12:03 PM
The conversation with morish was about whether it was a certain zero any more. Not whether bearishness is correct at these levels (short or long term). It obviously is. He understands that, as does anyone who can read.

Why the hell would you try to talk anyone out of a short position at $360? I did however yell at people at $190 and $270 (right after earnings) to cover and get long. Morish was one of those. It's my opinion that his take on Tesla has become irrational and fundamental (else why wouldn't you cover at $190 when it was completely clear the demand death narrative was dead?). I think that the idea that Tesla is a certain (or ultra high probability) zero is now irrational. It however 90+% likely to go a lot lower than it now.

As for you (turtletom), unfortunately for everyone around you, you're a very very stupid person with a high opinion of your own intelligence (observe: your earnest comments about trading and the Tesla case).

Last edited by ToothSayer; 11-22-2019 at 12:11 PM.
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11-22-2019 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
The funniest thing is it's so obvious he doesn't actually trade this name
You've said this 50+ times, it's weird.
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you can easily tell the difference in guys like Morish and syndr0me compared to his style despite the fact that they all are perma bears. Kudos to the former on actually owning up to their losses/updating us on their books rather than pretending they are almost always on the right side of the price action & straddling both sides to make it appear you aren't wrong.
I have been on the right side of most trades on Tesla this year, including some very juicy options trades. I don't post them here any more because of worthless pieces of trash like you. Your loss, bro (I know you're looking for scraps, you'd turn green if you saw the Tesla options money we made in private chat), and everyone else's for that matter.

I called demand death at $300 and recovery at $190-$210. I screamed at people to cover at $190 and $270. I wasn't bullish at $240, if anything bearish, but I saw enough to get the hell out of the way given that par had Tesla on the borderline of a delivery beat and a profit and that Musk could easily push it over with fraud that close to the line, given how much he needed the beat. I posted as much. Once the numbers came in I yelled at the long term shorts in private chat to cover and get long at $270 and said it was going over $320.
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The credibility of someone who says he's been bullish since $190 yet creams his pants and runs in here to make multiple posts on the first down move, news story/announcement in weeks is just a bit suspect no?
No, you're just a total dickhead. I can separate out my trading and my enjoyment of a total PR disaster from a master of PR.
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11-22-2019 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
You've said this 50+ times, it's weird.

I have been on the right side of most trades on Tesla this year, including some very juicy options trades. I don't post them here any more because of worthless pieces of trash like you. Your loss, bro (I know you're looking for scraps, you'd turn if you saw the Tesla options money we made in private chat), and everyone else's for that matter.

I called demand death at $300 and recovery at $190-$210. I screamed at people to cover at $190 and $270. I wasn't bullish at $240, if anything bearish, but I saw enough to get the hell out of the way given that par had Tesla on the borderline of a delivery beat and a profit and that Musk could easily push it over with fraud that close to the line, given how much he needed the beat. I posted as much.

No, you're just a total dickhead. I can separate out my trading and my enjoyment of a total PR disaster from a master of PR.
Would anyone like to sidebet if TS can provide ANY statement or confirmation that he's been long the stock and/or any calls AT ANY POINT since the stock was in the $190s? He has some posts in here bragging about the five figures he made a couple months back so it should be easy money if you are as confident as he is. Hmu here or in private messages if you are interested, we can make it go to charity or something like that.
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11-22-2019 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
What do you think the odds are that if this "truck" goes into production it's range will actually be 500 miles?
Really good actually. There is a lot more space for batteries and it's not due until 2022. (notice I am straight ignoring late 2019)
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11-22-2019 , 12:24 PM
I was watching youtube the other day and an ad for some garbage tip site came up. The guys tagline was that he was a "certified genius option trader". I couldn't help but think of our resident certified genius option trader. Bonus: We get ours for free. The youtube certified genius required three easy payments of "give me your money".

#tooblessedtobestressed
#thankstooth
#certifiedgeniusoptionstrader
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11-22-2019 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by turtletom
I was watching youtube the other day and an ad for some garbage tip site came up. The guys tagline was that he was a "certified genius option trader". I couldn't help but think of our resident certified genius option trader. Bonus: We get ours for free. The youtube certified genius required three easy payments of "give me your money".

#tooblessedtobestressed
#thankstooth
#certifiedgeniusoptionstrader
What is the worth of this post to anything other than your toxic personality? This is a thread about Tesla that serious traders use...there's a little off topic in all threads but you are pure worthless noise. In any sane forum you'd have been banned 1000 posts ago, you provide nothing of worth whatsoever at any time, are admittedly "just here for lulz", and are a loud obnoxious agitator. There isn't a single saving grace; when you post earnestly you make an ass of yourself.

Incredible how you and ASAP17 come in and just totally derail an on-topic conversation with your selfish stupid agendas with absolutely zero content. It's there in black and white in the post history. WTF is wrong with you both? Some of us actually try to trade and invest and this thread has a lot of useful information, and potential for a lot more, if worthless trash like you two weren't involved.
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11-22-2019 , 12:37 PM
hahaha this truck omg

doesn't take the cult very long to a) convince themselves it's actually cool and b) order one so they can show off to the cult members online
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11-22-2019 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Xkf
hahaha this truck omg

doesn't take the cult very long to a) convince themselves it's actually cool and b) order one so they can show off to the cult members online
to be fair, when you can raise money to fund a company by buying flamethrowers from a wholesaler, slapping your logo on them then selling them to fanboys online... that'll give you a lot of undue confidence in most projects

i legit thought those images were parody when i first saw them... totally does not understand the target market in the slightest
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11-22-2019 , 01:35 PM
The funniest thing I read about Tesla in a while
https://www.barrons.com/articles/tes...ch-51574437479

That guy actually seems to think they are making a profit when they are selling it at 39.9k
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11-22-2019 , 02:34 PM
I don't think the truck will look like that. They rushed a stupid looking prototype that can be easily improved and get free kuddos for obvious improvements.
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11-22-2019 , 02:41 PM
Yeah. The thing I don't get is that they have a home run if they make a good pickup truck. I've posted about this before, but the utility of a giant battery in a pickup truck is pretty large for campers, tradesmen, all kinds of people. Days worth of 110V AC at your work or camp site is huge. Acceleration can be better. Running cost is way less. etc. It's a great value proposition. I'd be pretty bullish about sales of a well made, nice looking Tesla pickup.

Perhaps the project has simply been mothballed (no money? Tesla has cut capex below zero) and this is his way of having some fun with a prototype. I don't get it.
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11-22-2019 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
That truck and ATV are net negatives on TSLA financials because Musk, like he did with Model 3, will cannibalize production capacity on models (including 3 that he finally got to a at least close to breakeven) to produce the new models.

I actually think the trucks will sell well. 500 miles range is a big deal. It makes it viable for business owners to opt for the truck instead of something like F-150 and save 2-4K a year in fuel costs. It’s still probably a niche product but I am pretty there is a demand for it.
I don't see this being a selling feature to business owners unless they have a home charging set-up. That's not cheap up front or common. On top of that, a lot of pick up truck drivers get work on a contract basis. Becoming the local laughing stock might be detrimental to your business

I love the concept of no more trips to the gas station for time/annoyance as much as the money but this truck isn't a solution imo. I suspect it gets redesigned before any meaningful production happens
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11-22-2019 , 03:08 PM
I'm of the mind some redesign to make it more acceptable for a contractor to drive the truck to a construction site will help the Cybertruck a lot. But the main selling features are still storage space, 500 mile range, and low running costs.
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11-22-2019 , 03:32 PM
That look is a weird publicity stunt. I have no clue if it s a genius move or stupid.
The woman who made a tesla pickup truck from a model 3 was so much better looking that I cannot imagine that one not to be a troll.
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11-22-2019 , 05:46 PM
Pretty amazing. The tested and true windows from the future went 2/2 in live testing failure on the big stage. The odds of that are incredible. Such bad luck

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11-22-2019 , 06:01 PM
To be fair, throwing at the same window too many times may be the problem.
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11-22-2019 , 06:17 PM
For "clear metal"? Unpossible!
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11-22-2019 , 09:51 PM
The design is very pointy. Car design has been super curvy for decades. So it's going against many contemporary design trends. But looks are subjective. Remember the airpods? People thought those looked ridiculous and then they became fashion icons.

Who knows if that will happen with the truck. I would bet on no, because who is their target audience of truck buyers? Is it nerdy silicon valley types? Or salt of the earth people who work in jobs that require towing things? And is a radical, sci-fi inspired design going to appeal to them? Seems unlikely. But if the specs, performance and price are good enough to sway people then maybe they won't care about the design or they will grow to like it, like the airpods.
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11-23-2019 , 02:26 AM
Haha, I mean what a **** show. Musk needs to stop popping pills.
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11-23-2019 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
The funniest thing is it's so obvious he doesn't actually trade this name, you can easily tell the difference in guys like Morish and syndr0me compared to his style despite the fact that they all are perma bears. Kudos to the former on actually owning up to their losses/updating us on their books rather than pretending they are almost always on the right side of the price action & straddling both sides to make it appear you aren't wrong. The credibility of someone who says he's been bullish since $190 yet creams his pants and runs in here to make multiple posts on the first down move, news story/announcement in weeks is just a bit suspect no?
QFT.

Re: cyber schmuck. I do not like the look, but maybe production model will be more appealing visually. Definitely the ugliest Tesla product I can think of to date.

Fascinated to see how market responds.

People who buy trucks like this might care more about performance and cost than aesthetic appeal though.
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11-23-2019 , 11:09 AM
I don't get the hate when it comes to the truck.
It has great specs, useful features (takes a lot of cargo, you can lower the suspension to make loading easier, carries 6 people, batteries can be used for on-site needs so no need to carry a generator, doesn't scratch, great at towing). I also think it looks kinda cool I can't imagine that being the problem. If anything it will be great way to signal status.

Now, I am skeptical they can deliver the claimed specs at the claimed price and acceptable reliability but if they can it will be a hit.
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11-23-2019 , 11:14 AM
if they round a few angles the design isnt that bad, right now it looks like a novelty that doesnt age well once passed the honey moon phase of the purchase
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11-23-2019 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
I don't get the hate when it comes to the truck.
It has great specs, useful features (takes a lot of cargo, you can lower the suspension to make loading easier, carries 6 people, batteries can be used for on-site needs so no need to carry a generator, doesn't scratch, great at towing). I also think it looks kinda cool I can't imagine that being the problem. If anything it will be great way to signal status.

Now, I am skeptical they can deliver the claimed specs at the claimed price and acceptable reliability but if they can it will be a hit.
you have very different tastes from contractors

i've worked construction, anyone who shows up at a job site in one of those would be a laughing stock

it'd work with the civilian truck market, ie the banker who owns one to take his boat to the lake on weekends and go campling (that market is still very large) but the people intentionally blocking tesla charging stations are also coincidentally mostly pickup owners - this status you speak of that it gives off is a negative for majority of truck purchasers

they should have approached it cautiously, make it look like any other truck and then slowly brought out the flare once it became acceptable to drive one to work - this is first time anal on a blind date without lube, alcohol or finesse involved and it's going to be rough, dirty, and painful for both parties
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