Reading this thread and realizing people are super emotional about this stock on both sides. It's like the single stock version of gold vs. stocks.

Right. So Musk hasn't settled pedo guy lawsuit for <$1 million despite him being 100% in the wrong and it being strongly in his interest and it generating a lot of negative press. But you think he'd settle for half a billion when he's mortgaging his houses to make ends meet, and has stated under oath that he has liquidity problems for even this amount? Does not compute bro.
I understand perfectly how it works (I actually studied law in a common law system, although I didn't finish), your take is just ridiculous, that's all. You have absolutely no clue whatsoever what you're talking about; you read like you took Legal Principles For Social Workers.

Musk's deposition isn't even the biggest evidence in the case - it's the emails, board minutes, etc, which lay it out exactly how everyone says it is - a giant self-dealing fraud, strongarmed through by Musk to bail him and his cousins out at the expense of Tesla shareholders, in violation of dozens of laws.

Why are you holding forth without a clue? Go back to lines on charts man, your commentary both general and specific is ridiculous and pointless.

So you're a law school dropout...

It's obvious why, yikes!

Really? A baseless personal attack is the best you have? And no I'm not a dropout, I did a dual science/law degree intending to choose one (physics as what I love, law as a backup career) and I chose physics when it was obvious I didn't need a backup. In non-US countries law is undergraduate, not graduate school like the US.

See here's the problem with you. If I ignore you you go on a rampage of completely idiotic posting - here you are holding forth for multiple posts on a topic you have zero clue about on any level...you state your opinion about how the case will go without even knowing what the case is about (and guessing wrong). You don't even know a one sentence summary of the case! Who the hell does that? Someone who massively overvalues their intelligence and is generally a waste of space, is who.

And if I don't ignore you you try to drag it down into zero content personal attacks, since you get completely and utterly owned on any content, logic and trading skill and have no other avenue to turn.

Try at least knowing what the case is about before holding forth. Jesus.

Dude, I don't need to know anything about the case to understand the discovery process. Lol, my original post wasn't even in response to you. I was pointing out why taking snipetts from a depo is dumb and how the litigation process works.

I was trying to be polite, but you have no clue how litigation works. Reading your posts, I feel really bad for you. What are you trying to prove?

You said:
Just so you appreciate the absurdity: you told the actual lawyer you replied to how he should read and draw evidence from depositions in a case you know absolutely nothing about. And he wasn't even talking about depositions! That evidence of the margin call price came from an email, not a deposition.
I don't even feel bad for you. We could replace you with a gibberish machine and it would have the same level of useful output. 1006 completely, utterly worthless posts like the below:
You took Intro To Law For Social Work 101 and now you're holding forth with your general legal opinions, telling actual working lawyers how they should approach depositions in cases you don't even know what the cause of action is where the thing they mentioned isn't even from a deposition. Peak clown achieved.

OR, Tesla was ALWAYS going to grow the solar and energy storage business, but it takes time to develop new products (solar roof), build manufacturing capabilities, secure finance, hire staff, and more. That is also consistent with the facts. But you are slavishly matching a few select facts to your view of the situation. Confirmation bias. False dichotomies. Blah blah blah.

Ouch. Makes sense though. gg

TS, the funding is secure, hbu tho?

You're as bad as trolling as you are at avoiding getting conned by conmen.
This doesn't even make any sense. They already have manufacturing capabilities - Panasonic works in the Buffalo factory with a large manufacturing capability and was forced to export their solar cells because Tesla stopped wanting them. As for staff, you don't drop sales 90% and fire all your staff and shut all your locations if you want to grow a business. "take time to hire staff"....yeah if you fire them all first over the course of a progressive shutdown over years.

The exact inflection point is when discovery proceeded in the Solarcity trial, at which point Musk began mega panic tweeting about solar and how he was growing it, starting a ridiculous promotion where you pay nothing at all for installation (this is a massive money loser for an already money-losing company even with a standard install, and it happened right when discovery proceeded in the solar trial).

It's obvious if you're not an idiot what's going on here.

You and turtletom trying to outdo each other for thread clown.

Do you have a graph of solar roof deployments?

ToothSayer being a law school dropout makes so much sense.

Their solar website is pretty slick now. Anyone have an archive of the abomination they threw up, literally, the day after the case hit court?

Yeah, his deep (lol) grasp of litigation and procedure is astounding! I bet he was top of the class!

Great novel.

RIP credits:
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1...197195778?s=20

Literally the most informative insight he has posted ITT ...

we all owe turtletom a huge debt of gratitude for helping peel back the layers of the enigma that is TS

Really? A baseless personal attack is the best you have?

Pointing out the obvious here but “choosing” physics means dropping out of law.

And you don’t need to know anything about a case to know pulling allegations from the complaint as facts is silly. This is true (with their equivalent of complaints) even in civil law jurisdictions.

Not when it's a dual degree so you can keep your options open until you decide which strand you want (law turned out to be so easy as to not be at all challenging, and I loved physics). Sorry. It's not like the US where you go to graduate school and leaving is actually "dropping out". By my late 20s I was richer and had far more free time than most lawyers, so great choice by me.

Anyway, it's hilarious that you guys keep trying to land a blow. Swing and a miss again. And it's weird how interested you guys are in me...

Actual emails with their margin clerk at Morgan Stanley, listing the prices at which a margin call happens and noting how close they are and how to possibly avoid it, then actual emails between members of the Musk family looking at ways to do a bailout, are "pulling allegations from a complaint"? Emails from discovery and board minutes are now "allegations" rather than "hard factual evidence"?

Here's something you and turtletom need to do, and it doesn't require a single college course: have at least a tiny bit of a clue of what you're talking about before holding forth.

Anyway, the deposition isn't a whole lot of use because Musk has a great memory until they get to the Solarcity fraud - at which suddenly he "does not recall" any detail at all about that period. And that in turn doesn't matter because the emails and board minutes and financial data prove the whole saga anyway. The meat is in the discovery evidence, the depositions are just funny. And here once again turtletom (holding forth to gift us with his genius generalist knowledge about the law while knowing nothing about the topic at hand) wrongly thought we were basing our opinions on the deposition.

Yo dawg, Grizy got a JD from Georgetown and I believe a tax LLM from NYU. Might want to slow your roll.

Tooth, not even trolling right now, the things you are saying are so dumb I literally just feel bad for you. I doubt you actually received a legal education with how "off" you are. Tooth this last summer I sat in on a Dr. depo were the Dr. when interviewed by the Plaintiff's attorney said one thing and then completely contradicted his answer when the defense attorney presented him with conflicting evidence (literally caused the case to be settled the next day). If you were to just read the plaintiff's attorney's questions and the Dr.'s answers you would have thought things looked up for the plaintiff. You would have been missing half the info though. This is like litigation 101. Also, rarely would the Dr. give a dispositive answer like that in depo testimony. Normally, depo testimony is several shades of gray and would require a total case analysis to have any idea what side had the better facts.


Finally, this suit was filed in DE chancery court. This likely means the court and the law is going to be pro-corp. This is probably worse than filing in Cali.

TS is what they call in the legal profession a time rich zealot.

Also, stop writing holding forth. What is this Pennoyer v. Neff?

I suggest you read again what I just wrote and contemplate how you utterly idiotic your response is (as was your original response). It is completely irrelevant to anything at all related to this deposition and Musk.

You're the rolled gold idiot who had an interesting experience watching a depo (busy life you live between antifa, going to college, trading full time for 12 years, and sitting in on depos - you're not a liar are you?) and then sees it applying to everything he reads, wanting to share his newfound wisdom no matter how irrelevant and pointless.

Again:

1. Everything being said about Musk doesn't come from the depo. Are you unable to read? It comes from discovery and hard factual evidence, thus your depo comments are completely irrelevant - see again about wanting your newfound wisdom to apply to everything. You sat in a depo that blew your mind? Cool story bro, and also completely, utterly irrelevant to anything discussed here.

2. You're absolute posting AIDS - 1009 posts of pure useless noise...and now you're bringing it to the Tesla thread.