jfc I should have been a scam artist

Leveraging this human tendency to achieve worthy goals is justifiable imo. The amount of inertia, inaction, and resistance, towards addressing climate change is vexing.

https://publicdomainreview.org/colle...ce-foote-1856/

lol
yeah, the guy flying to work in his private jet is saving the planet.
hell, elon musk might very well have the worst ecological footprint of any single person alive.

definitely, of the 7.7BN people alive today, the CEO of an EV/solar company has the worst eco footprint of all

Battery production is extremely toxic

if we're talking about tsla-stock that picture is pretty accurate - the shares are doomed regardless of what they do. realisitic scenarios only obviously, no 2020-robotaxis (lol) or the other lies they tell you to raise money.

they could file for bankruptcy tomorrow though and the company, as in the operations and brand, might survive.

Earnings: 250M loss, FCF positive. Stock rallies, good short opp

I cant decide if they'll deliver more or less u.s. cars in 4Q. Tax credit completely expires but is half of 2Q...

Last year I had some success shorting around 350 and covering at 300. Unfortunately missed the last big jump down. Now that it is back over 250 I was thinking about getting back in short.

Only thing worrying me is the possibility that they actually learned lessons from previous factories and this one in China is going to be really efficient and productive. If Tesla becomes the hot fashionable car in China and they can produce them there cheaply, it seems like they could make a lot of money.

Totally agreed that summon and FSD are garbage gimmicks

I think I will wait until they announce earnings. If stock jumps then I will get in short, like you suggested...

Are there any Tesla owners who dont have a YouTube channel about it?

Bets on if the accord or model x is worth more in 10 years?

Shocker, tesla wildly exaggerated their range. But the S has way more range than the porsche!!! Or porsche just didn't lie...

I love how amped he got that his 15k accord could go 600 miles between fill ups. Like it's some major accomplishment for a car to go that far.

Watched another video. That guy has had a lot of problems with his teslas.

Tesla registrations in china:
https://twitter.com/spudheadcapital/...305976832?s=20

Just from what we know of batteries, the X is pretty much 100% to be worth close to zero. Accord, from historical date, is still worth 1-4k (depending on condition) at ~15 years.

There is pretty good chance in 10 years you have to pay a significant amount of money to legally scrap an EV too.

Do they all dress like that too, with the undershirt and baseball cap?

More issues ahead for Tesla owners:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...ing-tesla-cars

Porsche faster in straight drag race than p100D ludicrous:
https://youtu.be/YV2HerMtqrQ

It's an unfortunate fact for all electric cars that the only time you care about the range (when you are taking a long road trip) is the one time that the actual range is a lot different than the rating. The rated miles are based on a mix of city, medium speed, and highway driving. The efficiency when you get over 50-60mph goes down rapidly. So when you are driving 80 on a highway in utah the range is drastically reduced. That goes for all electric cars.

My Model S is 6+ years old and has 77k miles and it still gets up to about 250 miles of range when fully charged, compared to 265 when new (94%). Time will tell how these batteries hold up over another 4+ years but it sure seems possible they will hold up pretty well.

This thread always creates some cognitive dissonance for me because on one hand I agree that TSLA is a clown show that does a lot of ridiculous stuff, but on the other hand my experience with my car and my local service center has been really great.

Good info, surprised you still get that many miles out of the S. Thanks.

I am genuinely surprised. If that's the case, Tesla > Accord unless Tesla goes bankrupt.

Anyone here short (or long) TESLA 2025 144A?

Yeah, Ive owned my model 3 for a couple months now, despite reading this thread for a few years and mostly agreeing with the bears and thinkings the bulls were delusional.

I ****ing love the car though. Ive never loved a car before. It reminds me of when I got my first iphone. I charge like once every 4/5 days, during the day, using the solar panels on my house. My experience with service and buying the car has been a dream so far. I could care less about the FSD and Summon. Driving the car itself, once I got used to it, is amazing. I didnt know what I was missing with one pedal driving. So much more control over the car.

Im sure **** will go wrong with it. Almost every car Ive owned has had a major recall (most recently, with my Audi A3, which is the passenger side airbag). I found that car to be somewhat fragile. What’s Audi’s excuse for not making a durable car? I bought the M3, mainly because its the best luxury option for pure EV.

Anyway, my main question is, when do all the bears in this thread make real money on shorting Tesla?

We already made a fortune shorting Tesla (the smart bears got out at $190 area once it was clear demand was picking up from Q1, but even now they're crushing it). This stock has been the worst long in the market for 5 years now (a market up 80% while Tesla is flat to -30% depending on when you bought) and a solid short.

Thanks for sharing your experience. Performance electric cars are amazing things. Once you get used to them it's hard to go back. Hell, I fell in love with the ultra-ultra-shitty low end $15K pure electric Peugot Ion cars I sometimes hired to get around French cities. I liked them a lot more than the BMW and Mercedes I've used despite being much lower end. Electric drives feel like magic, the future, a fun carnival ride...ICE cars in comparison seem so antiquated, noisy, jerky and weird when you go back.

The above is the reason why Tesla are screwed long term.

Cut sales commissions and raised prices. Clearly no demand problem

And yet, they are still selling out. Production is still the bottleneck.