I tend to agree it's mostly a gimmick/taste test for FSD at this stage.

But for some use cases it already provides real utility. For example, for people with limited mobility (eg. with disabilities, the elderly), it's safer and more convenient. Also for those who are inept at parking (many people) it's already a plus.

When I got my first computer with face unlocking I thought it was a gimmick. Every time Microsoft ****ed up some update and broke it i was surprised how much it annoyed me.
Summon is a quality of life feature that will be taken for granted at some point and people will wonder how people did before with 'stupid' cars.

When you work in a company with a huge parking lot. Waiting for the car to come to you must be pretty cool.
Another step to become more fat and lazier.

Not a feature I'd like to beta test with an expensive car or possibly risking lives.

Summon as it exists is a joke. It doesn’t recognize parking lines on ground if videos so far are any guide. It’s painfully slow even when it works. It’s just a dumb gimmick now.

It actually makes sense if you think about it. Driving in a parking lot with lots of people and cars crisscrossing in close quarters is going to create a lot of what Tesla calls “edge” cases. The summon feature is arguably one of the more difficult sunsets of FSD.

Tesla doesn’t even have some of the easiest subsets of FSD solved yet and there are strong indications Musk/Tesla isn’t giving FSD the resources and time to develop. Making the few engineers working on an useless summon feature only delays FSD. If they are serious about FSD with cameras, they need to use the only advantage they got: volunteer beta testers willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege of risking their lives on alpha state software.

That means uploading literally millions of hours of video/image data that’s tagged with driver behavior AND detecting crashes. That will cost tens of millions, possibly hundreds of millions in data storage alone. Add engineers and crowdsourcing (humans tagging data to train whatever image recog AI) and we’re talking way more money than Musk seems to realize FSD needs.

Yes, having your car drop you off at the front door and go park itself somewhere (or go robotaxi) while it waits for you will eventually be a real feature that we take for granted.

It almost certainly won't be in any Tesla cars that have already been manufactured.

I wonder at what point some lawsuit will require Tesla to do free upgrade on navigation modules sold overestating the capability.

Yeah, the only way to get chumps/marks to pay $5000 for "Full Self Driving" vaporware is to straight up lie and claim that cars have "all the hardware needed for FSD". Else why would anyone buy it? It's a pure brazen billion dollar fraud/scam.

Retrofitting the cars likely won't be possible given that it costs thousands just to change a light and a much richer sensor suite will be required (a single low quality camera is the only thing covering 40 degrees of angle on each side for example, the wiring and chips are likely insufficient for a different higher resolution feed, etc)

Sounds like they should figure out how to mTurk. Lots of ML stuff used to come through for pennies on the dollar. Not sure if it's even still around though...

Even Tesla's competitor says it is the benchmark for FSD tech strategy.

Who to believe: NVIDIA, or TSLAQ?

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2019/0...-self-driving/

Oh dear, this is old school despacito.

What you posted is NVIDIA pumping their own solution while calling out Tesla lies about their performance. (as politely as possible so to not piss off Tesla fans - the thing you see as a validation of Tesla are nVidia being super careful while calling Musk a liar, they had to throw them a bone).

And it speaks nothing about the hardware in Teslas. Most cars don't even have the latest chip and even that will be insufficient. For the same reason the last one was - a chipset that Musk also fraudulently claimed was sufficient for FSD before replacing it.

In fact, your own blog post says this:
So you just actually proved the point we were all making: that no current Teslas have hardware sufficient for FSD.

The answer is both, since they are both saying the same thing.

Welcome back man, you've been missed.

It wasn't intended to directly contradict anyone on that narrow point, but it goes to a broader and more important point which is: Tesla is powering ahead on FSD development. You're going to need a 5th quadrant on your stupid industry reports just for Tesla (up, and to the right).

But that was precisely what you were replying to?
Yeah man, POWERING ahead. Waymo and Cruise/GM have autonomous robotaxis running with real passengers calling it via an app, Tesla have pure incompetent chaos even at 5mph, years later than promised:



They are clearly crushing it because they paid to have some off-the-shelf chips put on a custom motherboard? It's another Musk fraud, a dog and pony show like battery swap and solar roof tiles at the set of Desperate Housewives. Pure nonsense. But nVidia doesn't want to say that and piss off a bunch of cult-level tech bros who love Musk and also buy nVidia chips for their computers.

Nope.

Didn't GM postpone it to at least 2020 due to safety concerns? Incidentally they are desperately partnering with ARM and Toyota in a futile attempt to catch up with Tesla's FSD hardware. Toyota, btw, has known how f'd it is on FSD for years but hasn't come close to solving it. ARM is an arrow in the quiver that is the Softbank Vision Fund, along with lol WeWork. Strong team.

You'll note from the bitcoin thread I'm not afraid to agree with you on the rare occasion you post something that is correct.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rth-pedo-idiot

Musk said, according to documents surfaced in court on Tuesday

Pretty sure he said this on Rogan, too, about why all his timeline predictions are way off. Something like, I'm an idiot, people shouldn't believe me"

AAA doing some independent testing of tesla ability to detect pedestrians:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Benshoote...89087409328128

I got a nice laugh out of this. That would make a highly memeable gif.

Here are the test results for the lazy

Seems like human detection would be the baseline for releasing any sort of automated driving in populated areas. Really puts into perspective that video of the summons where the guy had his daughter and dog standing in front of his Tesla. Its only a matter of time until someone gets ran over in a parking lot.

Note the dummy pedestrian did not look left or right before crossing.

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I listen to this tesla podcast where the guy is a hardcore elon worshipper, just to see if anything legit comes up on the bull side. He does a good job at summarizing the news, but it always has an insane bull interpretation.

Couple recent highlights

1) the guy quit his job to pursue podcasting about tesla full time

2) he had someone from consumer reports on to discuss their "negative" (accurate) article. The episode is hilarious. The consumer reports person is so evidence based and logical in the debate, and the guy just keeps doing a few things to attempt to refute. He either uses incredibly flawed logic to make an argument, or quotes elon/tesla at their word without having looked at any independent sources. The consumer reports person keeps politely suggesting he looks at independent sources and he just keeps saying some variant of "it's not debateable that cars with autopilot are safer than those without", and he's getting more and more irritated as his arguments are refuted.

It's cool that people are passionate about something that's sold as helping the world, but the tesla blind worship is pathetic.

When does tesla/elon blind worship end? (aside from Tesla ending)

I would have guessed that by now it would have been largely diminished vs 5 years ago and maybe it has more than I realize. But I'm still shocked that people still believe what Elon says after years of missed deadlines and over hyping stuff that ends up being a dud.

From now on is FSD all that can be hyped until Telsa cant borrow anymore?

I dont get how someone can look at smart summon and think tesla is close to autonomous vehicles

I don't know if my heart could take a ride inside a FSD Tesla knowing how shitty smart summon is. I'd be expecting it to turn into every single obstacle we drove by

It's bizarre that TSLAQ types can recognize the cultish quality of some Tesla fans, but don't recognize their own extreme biases in the opposite direction.

How the hell is that bizarre? That's exactly what bias is

In 1844, a dude named William Miller and his followers predicted the end of the world on Oct. 22nd of that year. When that didn't happen, they called it "The Great Disappointment" and kept making excuses for his bullshit and found other biblical nonsense to explain why his first biblical nonsense was wrong.

Today, there are ~20M Seventh Day Adventists as a result of Miller's bullshit.

As it turns out, once you've invested a lot of yourself into believing some bullshit, it's nearly impossible to give that up, even in the face of obvious evidence.