This thread ends with TS buying a Tesla (after you).

They list weight specs. Teslas are getting about same amount of power and more range with lower weight.

That's something. I just don't think it's huge. And I have been saying for years I just don't think spending billions to be on cutting edge battery tech gives you enough of a competitive advantage in the EV industry.

The real game changer, the breakthrough technology that allows a big jump in battery performance/density will almost certainly come from a company not named Tesla just because there is a **** ton of money being poured into battery production and R&D. What Tesla is doing is just a drop in the bucket and most of the gains they see are in optimizing other people's technology for EV use.

If I wasn't traveling I'd have bought one already. They're really nice cars and performance electric drives are just amazing and futuristic - they make ICE seems antiquated. That's most of the long term Tesla bear case actually.

The only quibbles I have with Tesla cars are service and quality issues (they're horribly built) and kind of crappy interiors. Even low end luxury cars are way nicer, although I haven't looked at one in a while and I heard they've gotten better. But the joy of a performance electric drive more than makes up for both those issues.

Has anyone been reading the Musk deposition for the Unsworth trial? It's solid gold.

Among the highlights: Musk paid $20K to hire someone (from a place called "Jupiter Military & Tactical Systems) to try and dig up crap on Unsworth. When Musk stopped responding (the guy found nothing despite looking, so maybe it's the famous Tesla unpaid bills?), he emailed SpaceX with the below in a truly bizarre turn of events.



Imagine being a corporate exec getting this email, lol.

The deposition in the Unsworth case is just amazing. We haven't seen all of it; these are just the bits that Musk's lawyers chose to show, and they make him sound insane and completely unaware of it. Here's a good summary: https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-f...guy-deposition

Have a greenie buddy who went full envirowhackjob today with purchase of Model 3. Car payment will be damn near $900 per month but he legit believes this will be fully covered by robotaxi in 2021 at the latest. Paid for FSD because "the price will only go up" and noted that it can self park already (ummm so can a Ford Focus). This guy is otherwise reasonably intelligent - I legit didn't think anyone believed a word of Musk's fraud but was proven wrong

I highly recommend @plainsite on twitter


“By pedo guy I didn’t mean pedophilia, I meant creepy old man”


“Yes, I did hire a PI to get proof he married a child bribe”


The PI scamming musk is pretty funny too

I’d take those opinions with a grain of salt. I don’t think it’s much different than people buying BMWs justifying the purchase with “BMWs hold resale value better” despite evidences to the contrary.

No I'm sure he does believe that. A good portion of the population believes in all of Musk's lies and frauds. Years of fawning press, "rockets bro" from people too stupid to know that cars are harder than rockets, and simply low information investors and car buyers which make up the large majority of retail investors and car buyers.

Once the press has built credibility for you (or you carefully tended it as Elon did since 2006 at least), it pays to be a liar and fraud because hundreds of million of cashed up people x even a 1% rate of credulousness toward your claims = millions of investors and buyers.

Imagine 100 million people globally potentially have the money and interest to buy a Model 3/S/X and a mere 0.5% - 1 in 200! - believe Musk's lies of FSD robotaxis creating appreciating cars. That's 500K extra cars sold - almost equal to Tesla's lifetime car production! - and $25 billion in revenue.

Not only will it cover the cost of payments, it is a money printing machine.

Wernher von Braun might have disagreed with you.

only way cars are harder is if vested interests are actively work against you... in terms of engineering you are wrong

business main stream media has been short tesla for a long time now.

Is that the same IIHS that just awarded Tesla Model 3 its "top safety pick"?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/19/2...ty-award-video

Good source, I'm sure you agree.

So solar on your roof is a "money printing machine" but Musk hasn't covered the Nevada gigafactory in solar after 5+ years?

Autonomous robotaxis are a "money printing machine" but Musk is selling them for 20% of next year's value and below cost (Tesla is losing money) just for the car itself.

Oh and he's promised far simpler technology for years and so far delivered this (years later than promised):



This promise from the same guy who's been dead wrong on every other prediction and is a proven liar and fraud.

Got it man. How gullible are you? This reminds me a George Carlin piece.

I don't remember seeing it posted here, estimation for robotaxi's life will be around 4 years because of wear and tear. I don't remember what the source was.

Tesla arrives at Nurburgring...and, being a Tesla, so do the tow truck. This might be may favorite Tesla moment:

hahahaha that's great.

victory claim from the day before:

Yeah, claimed being the operative word. Cliff notes:

1. Taycan (in a production car that you can actually buy) kicks out the **** out the Model S performance on the Nurburgring track, which had previously not even posted a time due to how awfully designed it is for sustained performance (it overheats very quickly and goes into limp mode)

2. Musk has a narcisstistic panic attack that he no longer has a flagship and tries to get ahead of the media with a donkey-carrot tweet, promising to bring the Model S to Nurburgring so that his beta fans don't start realizing they're betas.

3. They ship a very non-production (3 motor, prototype, who knows what else) car over from California to Germany, by their own admission at least a year away from production if ever.

4. Unable to beat the time at Nurburgring, Musk tweets out a nice time at the (very short) Laguna track
5. Mocking ensues. Laguna officials say the time isn't valid.
6. The custom, non-production car they shipped form Cali appears at Nurburging. Its windows are hilariously blacked to the shithouse because they apparently pulled out all the car's internals to get the weight down, and there's no seats or other stuff in there. This of course is straight up cheating and makes comparisons meaningless.
6. It's claimed that some unnamed person clocked them at 7:20 for the lap, a rumor (like the fake VW buyout rumor?) likely started by you know who (fake news is cheap)
7. Tesla account takes that up, throwing out another donkey carrot
8. Soon after, the Tesla is spotted dead on the roadside the day before their official lap time. They put a plus size girl's car bra on it (can't have people seeing the ripped out internals) and hilariously have to load it by crane onto the truck when it can't even go up the ramp.



Porsches laps it four times while this saga is ongoing.

I'll let despacito have the final word:

I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the positive spin wall of text explaining how this is all mind games and is a nurburgring tradition

More like War & Peace. "Blimey!"

What does this mean "mate"? I'm picturing an outdoor toilet in "the outback" with kangaroos and snakes and Fosters beer.

The main takeaway from this shmurgerbring saga is that Porsche is a nice car for the track (who didn't know that already?) and also not too bad for parking in front of a cafe whilst sipping your frappucino, but hands down loses for all practical purposes to any model Tesla.

Seems quite likely the Tesla pictured is stopped at a supercharger for some juice, and that looks like a prototype Tesla truck coming to join the party.

Good to see Tesla responding rapidly with Plaid mode which looks awesome.

Not a bad effort considering you've got a **** sandwich to work with.

It means they're amazingly dark. Ripping out the seats and part of the body to get weight down for a fake record*? It just isn't cricket. For all we know they've got liquid nitrogen in there to cool the battery so it doesn't overheat a la Tesla and go into limp mode. This is the guy who faked a battery swap and solar roof tiles.

*Incidentally, why do you need to get the weight down if they have a triple engine drive prototype and good performance? Acceleration isn't the limiting factor...they must still have a huge heat problem to need to do that (and then tint the windows impenetrable black to hide the interior).

looks like some people got the beta of advanced summon and there are videos popping up on twitter.
it's bad. seriously much worse than i ever expected.

look at this

i have no words

What kind of a person uses their daughter as a test subject to determine whether a car can recognize a person? FFS

Probably the kind of person who has 100% confidence in felon musk

"Still not perfect, but it's getting better." When it spent almost the entire time in their yard.

I mean, she was standing off the road. If Tesla wasn't a total fraud she would've been safe.

The combination of the Tesla "Austin Powers-ing" itself out of that driveway and literally adjusting to try and kill a child and dog is amazing.

The comments in the YT page have someone literally arguing back at the monumental idiocy that is letting a child (with a ****ing dog on a leash there to complicate things, mind you) stand in front of a car that has already been documented to KILL PEOPLE without human control of the vehicle.

Idiot is saying "but the car stopped before hitting her, twice" with a straight face. The world is slowly filling with delusional, mind numbingly stupid morons who, instead of simply saying "hmm this is not a good idea" want to boldly march forward in ignorance in lieu of common sense. What if the child and/or dog was accidentally run over or harmed significantly? These people respond with "but it didn't happen" because god forbid one admits reality...

These ****ing idiots have such fragile egos that a pebble bruises them. It's so amazing how dumb it is. Is it really that hard to just simply admit, yeah, Teslas are pretty sweet cars, but have some serious flaws, many of which are a direct result of the fact that Elon Musk is simply not the sanest fellow in any room? Why is that so hard? Why is it so hard to just admit that embarrassing **** like this gets publicized bc Musk is so insecure he can't come in second at all costs? He'd rather look good and lose than look bad and win and it's a shame since his original goal has been blurred with the insanity that is capitalism taken to its extreme - win at all cost or the shareholders will maim you like Teslas maim their drivers on occasion.

Tesla could've been an amazing company if Musk would just get a therapist or maybe have a modicum of introspection and realize curtailing the narcissism might require painful admissions, but might be the greatest decision he ever makes in his life. He's just burning himself out on a daily basis chasing a holy grail he can't get on his own...At this point, given how much money he's burned he, at best, can only claim a pyrrhic victory. The majors are the tortoises and he's the hare and he literally does not have to be...

Maybe I have some of this confused, I dunno, but something must go on in the brain where people just cling to **** for no reason at all. Maybe just feels. Fear? Monkey see monkey do? Seems common in belief of religion, cults, weird fanboi defenses of extraordinary people/things/ideas in complete denial of reality or any concession of any flaws/inconsistencies/incongruence/falsehood/grossly overstated merits...wtf