Nothing will likely come of this for Tesla, but I am really glad this string is being pulled. If you read the old Montana Skeptic stuff from 06-07 he dug WAY into how there were 9 amendments or something to this deal and everyone lowered the threshhold required of Tesla and pushed back dates.


The really interesting part is how Cuomo seems to have done everything possible to make sure Tesla is not held to any standards. Feels so likely something very below board happened here.


I should learn how to post tweets


https://twitter.com/DanTelvock/statu...39404821286912

That's great...direct link to PDF resolution: http://www2.erie.gov/legislature/sit...o.%2018-10.pdf

Nearly a billion dollars spent by the taxpayer and very little to show for it. The interesting thing is that the small company he bought already had some small government grants, which Musk bamboozled the governor into turning into nearly a billion dollars on empty promises. Musk is nothing if not a talented money hustler and conman - he has to be with how horribly his companies perform or they would have gone under ages ago.

He doesn't trade.

The Porsche Taycan's curb weight is about 5,100 pounds. What the heck did they put in this thing? It weighs more than a Chevy Silverado 1500 4wd crew cab.

a battery probably

That was my guess too

Yea. Kinda referring to the rest of the car.

But remember when the Model 3 (3,600 - 4,000 lbs curb weight) came out? Experts said it was too heavy at the time due to over-engineering, specifically the back of the car and the aluminum-steel mix.

The extra weight is probably affecting the range of the Taycan.

WLTP scale
Taycan's range is 230 - 280 miles
model 3 (extended range) is 338 miles
model S (long range) is 365 miles

the high end model S is just as heavy

It's close.

But why is the range on the Taycan so low compared to the model 3 or S? 30% to 55% difference, depending on where the official range ends up.

Inferior battery? (probable)
Inferior motor tech?
Weight? (about equal with the S, way heavier than the 3)

Or did Porsche engineer this for max speed, max torque at all times? The dual transmission (1-speed front, 2-speed rear) was supposed to extend the range of the car.

Taycan is like 200kg heavy than Model S. That's all Tesla's battery advantage amounts to. lol.

Taycan is probably engineered for speed but so is S. I think the real trick is Porsche designed the Taycan with cooling the battery in mind.

This one is a present to the bears.

https://qz.com/1463422/elon-musk-gav...ho-wanted-one/

Smacked in the face by Taycan's superior performance and endurance, and unable to rise to the challenge, the Musk does his donkey-carrot show again:

So the laguna times they did (ultra short track so it doesn't overheat) will only be available "in about a year".

Takeaways:

- Musk yet again shows he is great at spinning away negative facts with a donkey carrot avalanche. One of the most accomplished conmen of our generation, better even than Elizabeth Holmes.

- Tesla has no answer to the Taycan for over a year

The Model 3 is the #1 (best-selling) car in Norway, and Tesla is the best selling brand overall.

Excellent prediction.

That's not a prediction. That was an observation you dumbass!!! It was from a survey of Norwegian brand opinions.

Tesla sales have dropped hard in Norway as result...this quarter they're almost back to S+X only levels despite the introduction of a far cheaper/larger market Model 3.



This is margin death in an ugly way. Oh and that comparison is after dropping the S/X 40K euros overnight some months back - it didn't help sales at all. In fact S/X are so in the toilet now that Nikkei is out with news today that Panasonic is selling Tesla's batteries to Toyota - they're only allowed do to that under their agreement if Tesla can't buy their output. So much for "battery production constrained".

So let's recap. Dumbest person on 2p2 is wrong on:

- Whether the above was a prediction
- Whether it was correct if it was.

I guess it shouldn't be a surprised but I'm still pretty amazed at all these own goals.

So Tesla was #1 in sales, and dead last in consumer opinion?

My bad.

After sales service, how does it work?

so... when did tesla-'investors' all agree that end-of-quarter-pushes were a good, reasonable and totally normal thing for a car company to do?

https://electrek.co/2019/09/13/tesla...-quarter-push/

They've never been the smartest bunch. But I guess when Tesla shareholders (fanboys) convince themselves that "Wall Street" wants to see good delivery numbers, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

When did public companies start operating via consensus of all shareholders?

i don't see a lot of discussion, do you?

also, this:


tl;dr:
- guy gets delivered faulty m3 and sues company
- tesla does not react to the lawsuit at all
- they lose the case by default and now have to deliver a new car

Why wouldn't the person sue for money back?

Field Report: Thursday my nephew walked into a Tesla store and left with a new Model 3. No waiting.

Did he get two years free supercharging and a couple of free upgrades?

In public I recommend saying "my friends nephew..."

Do you actually have a source comparing the batteries to make this claim or just guessing?