That is a feature not a bug.

Does anyone here genuinely believe Tesla won't crush Porsche's time?

Also claiming a track record on a congested circuit, without proposing a direct competition, is like winning a race against yourself. Ridiculous and SAD. Old man Ferdinand, who not only put his vehicles in direct competition with other makers, but even raced them himself, would be turning in his grave.

A far cry from the sterile environment of a solo circuit at Nürburgring.

You're like the trigglypuff of Taycan lap times.

Dude this is just the most standard Porsche marketing ever. Nobody cared about this record until Musk his ego got involved and he had to make some ridiculous tweets.

Or maybe it's not Musk his ego, but his fear that real competition for Tesla's premium models will be the nail that destroys his gross margin forever? I'm not sure.

Musk to Porsche - Um @Porsche, this word Turbo does not mean what you think it does.


So words have meaning now? I guess they won't be using "Auto-Pilot" anymore.

despacito, I can wager money that Tesla will not beat Taycan’s Nurburgring time within the next two months.

Give them a year or so to custom rig a model S with better battery cooling, way better brakes, better tires, probably software updates that in essence allows overheating of batteries, and some practice time then maybe. But within 2 months? No way.

This won’t take years to play out like the FSD bet.

If you don’t want to bet money, we can bet our avatars. Loser has to use an avatar of winner’s choosing for a year. I will ask the thread to produce a gif of a Tesla logo on fire, Musk with his pants on fire, or just a Tesla burning. I am sure someone will oblige.

Decent publicity stunt, perhaps...

I'm not convinced a stock Tesla would beat the Taycan at Nurburgring and was surprised Musk threw down the gauntlet. I do hope it happens though. Modifying batteries eg. to 800v seems reasonable to me.



Check-folding flop?

What's the difference between marketing and "a decent publicity stunt"? Does this mean you actually agree that Musk being an idiot about this? Why would a CEO waste his time reacting to a publicity stunt that is not even calling Tesla out?

I don't get how proving a production car can do very well at a grueling standard test track is a "stunt" or even PR. Nürburgring is a basic competency test that any quality company puts their cars through. It's something I like to see as a buyer because it proves the car is well engineered for handling and power output and doesn't have serious flaws.

As an example of the latter, the highest performance Teslas have been run multiple times on the Nurburgring track and the best performance has been 8:50, over a full minute slower than the Taycan at 7:42. That difference is several lifetimes in racing time, enough for the driver to **** Elon's wife and sit down for a beer to watch the ultra-slow Model S P100D limping across the finish line in low power mode.

The Tesla Motor Club threads on Tesla lap performance are solid gold, you can feel the frustration of these poor Tesla owners:
This is worthy of BagholderQuotes or maybe LemonholderQuotes.

Yes of course the time itsself is not irrelevant, and is probably important (I don't know enough about sports car industry/enthousiasts to say how important it is). The marketing stunt for me was it being promoted as the “fastest four-door, all-electric sports cars” record. Promoting it like that is clearly so it would get attention from mainstream audiences, which partially to Musk clearly happened (& every article I've seen about this put a lot on emphasis on it being a "record).

I also wouldn't mind the naming of the record if it was a record that had a track record, but can you try and find me the list of previous record holders? I've tried and haven't been able to. Porsche made it up probably. Which is fine, it's clever marketing and they aren't really being dishonest (nobody has disputed the record, either ).

I meant Musk's tweet about sending a model S to Nürburgring is a publicity stunt (that might have captured some of the hype surrounding Taycan's performance there, or at least tried to).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times

List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:42 Porsche Taycan Lars Kern August 2019

Porsche conducted test, pre-production model. Fastest street-legal electric car.

There are street legal cars posting under 7 minute times.

I knew this for certain before looking it up because you need to post sub 7 minute on Nurburgring in a basically stock (okay, not really) BMW m6 (?) to get gold in Gran Turismo (5?)

Fastest street legal EV is still pretty slow in other words. Actually on the list you linked, quite a few cars posting better times are cheaper than the Taycan.

this is gold

I agree, I am always amazed at TS willingness to just keep pounding on what has to be either a troll or an amazingly illogical idiot for lack of a nicer term for it

There will be lots of super hybrid cars in the next few years that have like 20 mile electric range. The electric motors will be tuned to function like high torque motors for record “street legal” lap times.

Environmentally, these “hybrids” are probably worse than just ICE.

Speaking of amazing, Tesla Model 3 now = 12.4% of All Norwegian Vehicle Sales January–July 2019.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/16...ary-july-2019/

Tesla Model 3 was UK's No 3-selling car in August

https://europe.autonews.com/automake...ing-car-august

despacito, are you getting paid to post here?

Almost assuredly

Who posts like that that's a person and not a paid shill?

Although his posting here has remarkably done the exact opposite of what he intended, which is hilarious. Tesla has gotten trashed with copious evidence on everything from autonomous driving progress to its high level of crashes to Tesla solar lies to how quickly the cars overheat when accelerating.

Not yet, but if you want to show your support I will be starting a Patreon soon.

Stay tuned!

Not super fussed tho tbh, already have my money printing machine.

Posting sales results in a thread about the stock price = shilling now?

You have ridiculous double standards. You sweat trivial daily or weekly variations in delivery volume, with a strong negative bias.

Not at all. Your sources are TRASH and most of your claims are bogus.

No, posting four day old news that's already been posted as massive copy/paste SPAM WALL is what people are complaining about. It's what paid shills do.

I posted these exact UK results you just spam-walled four days late, days ago when they came out:
And look at that - a perfectly balanced correct viewpoint (deliveries are a big mixed card - Holland and Britain are up, other European countries suck). You on the other hand: pure mindless copy/pasted spam-walls, shill style.

I'm bullish in this very thread when deliveries are looking good. This year deliveries have not been looking good and I've correctly had a bearish bias on the stock as a result as it's crashed hard from the $300s to the low $200s.
Putting something in ALL CAPS doesn't make it true. You're the guy who calls industry body data "made up to increase premiums" like a weirdo nonsensical conspiritard. This is particularly rich after Musk's deposition just showed the crazy extent of his lies and fraud on Solarcity.

It's amusing how in a thread that is 99% bears that you guys get so annoyed by someone posting at high volume with the opposite opinion. Ignore button or report post, very simple solution. Here's the thing about trolls, you continue to engage and that's exactly what you get. If despacito is such a shill/problem then do something about it.