Just to make sure, Model 3 is still terrible at noise insulation/management. It’s extra noticeable because the car itself doesn’t make much noise.

It’s not Tesla can’t do it. Model S is pretty reasonable in terms of cabin noise even in Manhattan when I test drove it. Tesla just doesn’t care. Musk just wants to push $35k model 3s out as quickly as possible. All other considerations, including actually making money, are secondary.

This kind of sums up the whole thread.

I agree model S is quiet (at speed too, not just in city driving). Haven't driven Model 3 extensively.

Don't think Model 3 noise issue is difficult or expensive to solve. Should have been already, probably will be soon.

The idea bmws are for people who can’t afford Mercedes is just dumb. The brand is considered to be a bit sportier than Mercedes and targets a younger customer base overall.

If anything, Mercedes is considered a little stuffy among the preppy crowd with rich parents. Audi is the preferred brand for people who don’t lean toward BMW’s sportier tuning.

It's not dumb, it's math.

No other brand screams thirsty status whore quite like BMW. This is well documented.

fwiw Mercedes is the poor man's Ferrari.

How are subjectivities well documented?

Tesla overtook BMW on that front by a mile when the Model 3 came out

For people ITT saying Tesla solar roof is not a thing...

Installations have already taken place and are operational.

Expensive ($100K pre incentives, 9.85KW capacity). Tesla targeting ~$22 per square foot.

Even at this stage it looks awesome.

Questions remain: scalability and durability.

But does anyone think this will not be a home run success if solve those issues?



Follow up after it went live:



That was irony.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

AI Conference Shanghai (Musk & Jack Ma), 29 August

https://interestingengineering.com/a...te-in-shanghai

We need to ban this insane spammer. despacito is the dumbest person ever to post on 2p2, a bottom 5% poster according to people in this thread, and has a stronger love for Musk than most Scientologists have for Hubbard. The dude is jack **** insane.

Take this post. There's nothing relevant to Tesla at all, it's just him sharing his love of his hero and cultdaddy, Musk:
Then we have the insane spam posts which have no connection to reality and aren't in any way current news.
Of course it can't be a home run success because it makes no economic sense. Tiles + panels are far far cheaper. You say they're targeting $22/sq foot (+ installation?), is this like Musk targeting 1 hour body shop repairs to stave off criticism about Tesla's awful service? (result: a year later you still wait weeks to months to get Teslas fixed). The reality is that manufactured electronic roof tiles are always going to be far, far more expensive than regular tiles simply by the manufacturing required. They'll also be far less efficient than panels. So it's a double whammy of stupid. And since Tesla's extensive roof fires from gross incompetence has made widespread press, few people will be dumb enough to want them even if they'd be happy to pay absurd pricing ($100K+) to get it. So we have massive cost for no meaningful gain, and a company whose installations are highly dangerous. On top of that, by all reports their "Gigafactory 2" is near idle as they can't solve any of the difficult problems needed to even make expensive solar roof tiles at scale.

It's just dumb on about 10 different levels. Prototypes on roofs mean nothing; you can prototype anything these days if you're willing to set enough money on fire. And indeed many have explored solar roof tiles and found it to be unviable.

It's another massive cockup by a loser too stupid to understand complexity and the limitations of economics and technology, which was only pushed forward in the first place because he needed to fool Tesla shareholders into bailing out his near bankrupt Solarcity for him and his cousins.

Says the guy who has been banned multiple times? You and your slippery TSLAQ co-conspirators auto-hate on anyone who posts anything positive about Tesla. Hardly representative.

You're a textbook bad actor and active short seller in the worst sense of the words, with no respect for the truth. It's good to see some of the shady tactics by shorts (of other companies) leading to lawsuits recently. I expect to see more of this in the future.

You also care about Musk way more than I do. You're anti-sweating the guy in a disturbing and unhealthy way.

NEWSFLASH: artificial intelligence (in both the USA and China) is relevant to autonomous vehicles.

This is like saying sugar is not relevant to Coca Cola, or chicken is not relevant to KFC.

What planet are you on? You vacuous bottom-feeding loser.

You yourself started on the topic of solar city, including solar roofs, recently.

How could you contradict yourself harder than this? Not possible.

All reports from whom? The journalists who were not allowed to tour the Buffalo facility? Or Musk who went there recently?

Tesla will receive a $40M+ fine if they don't ramp up hiring at the Buffalo facility (Giga2) on a fairly aggressive timeline, due to the conditions attached to government incentives, so it might even be cheaper for them to hire people to do nothing than cop that fine. They obviously wouldn't task them to do nothing -- the point is, Tesla is ramping up production there.

Meanwhile Tesla has already installed working prototypes for paying customers, there is insatiable demand for this product, Tesla is filing multiple related patents (recently). https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/29...grated-wiring/

Do you know all this and pretend it's not real? Or are you ignorant?

Degrees in physics and economics and started or took over multiple first class technology companies/orgs (Zip2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, Open A.I., Neuralink). Sure he doesn't understand economics or technology.

What a stupid thing of you to say.

You also didn't mention the China market. If solar roof takes off in the Chinese domestic market, with production at the Shanghai Gigafactory, it would be enormous. Haven't seen this discussed but seems all but inevitable it will be popular if they can make it cost-effectively.

If someone wants to propose a bet/odds, including an escrow, and a legitimately neutral group of people to arbitrate in case of disagreement, I'll consider it (no guarantee).

It's possible to get as much action as I want on the regular market so not interested in sinking a lot of time and effort into this (I expect there'd be way more difficulty and overhead in settling all the terms and parties for a bet here relative to existing solutions/markets, so it's not an attractive proposition).

Also betting on a specific product, rather than the company developing it, is generally dumb, if you have both options. Imagine you went all in on Google Glass, and missed out on Google/Alphabet gains. Same deal for robotaxi vis-a-vis Tesla/$TSLA. On a personal level, I don't care when robotaxis are available, and I have much more confidence in Tesla succeeding as a business than I do of Robotaxis arriving on a specific timeline (even though I do think it will happen in 2020).

I know better than to read through all this drivel, but i would like to take the other side of the bet against despacito on top of whatever truthsayer is willing to bet.

Hopefully this comes to fruition.

Again, summing up the thread in a concise way.

China pump today on news of waiving a purchase tax on new vehicles. They plan to raise prices in China. I've heard that raising prices in China is actually a good way to grab prestige

Despacito knows the chance of Tesla having FSD out next year is zero, which is why he'll never take the bet. The dude is thick as two bricks and in love with Musk but even with that blinding him he knows that Musk is lying and FSD isn't coming. The evidence is simply overwhelming enough that even this clown can see he's gonna lose this bet.

eu-evs officially ahead of prior q

yes but with massive uptick in SR+ over LR. looking like another quarter with strong delivery #s and big loss? depends on NA numbers mostly i imagine. hard to tell from twitter trackers but looks to be closer to Q2 than Q1. ofc all is moot until last month push

https://twitter.com/TablesTesla/stat...74440780505088

Boats arrived earlier this Q.

Again, we are like 35% into the Q in terms of number of deliveries a few hundred either way doesn’t matter. They haven’t shipped enough for a big upside surprise. They are range bound and it’s not worth caring about the day to day fluctuations there.

don't forget the big picture:
this is supposed to be a $40b company and people are fighting over a few hundred cars per quarter...

that's not turning this into a viable company all of a sudden.
they were supposed to be building and selling 130k m3s per quarter 8 months ago according to the ceo.

Umm, gonna need to see a citation on that one. I've never heard a single person say "I wish I had solar tiles instead of solar panels". I'm sure there are some people out there that feel that panels are just too unsightly to be tolerated but I've never met anyone for whom the appearance of panels was a turn-off.

Home solar panels don't make any financial sense except in localities where they are heavily subsidized. A big part of installing solar panels is about virtue signaling telling your neighbors you're doing something about climate change.

Put differently, what's the point of getting solar panels if your neighbors don't know about it?

I'm sure he can quote some rando from the Tesla forum as his citation.

It's coming. You just don't understand exponential growth.