The comments are gold.

I can't believe they managed to cock up insurance. Walmart roof fires, a "4 to 8" week delay in "advanced summon", and now "cheaper" insurance that's 60% more expensive and they have to pull offline, all in a week.

You're really seeing the bite of lack of a minimally competent management team.

I just cut back my stake. China pumps incoming and then we enter leaked email end of quarter pump season.

Smart man.

Please keep us updated guys, if you can still afford internet.

Tesla isn't writing this insurance, they are just selling it for a real company.

Makes sense that its more expensive, their selection could be awful.

Also this "algorithm update"... insurance companies can't just change their rates on a whim, not sure what this could be... unless the original rates were just a mistake.

The insurance stuff is a hilarious distraction, they are losing more and more credibility.

+1

People doubted the Wright Brothers too...



ToothSayer your stats/sources are ridiculous. tesladeaths.com is a total stitch up! How can you post that and look at yourself in the mirror with anything but total disrespect and self-loathing?

Please try again with legitimate data.

You were doing better when you frankly admitted there's not enough data to judge the relative safety of Autopilot (wrong, but at least more honest).

No doubt you prefer posting irrelevant/biased/idiotic news articles and YouTube videos, whilst ignoring the bigger picture. It's a shame, you're a smart guy, but too infected with bias to see straight.

I don't find people dying funny but I guess if you sophist for a guy who falsely defames people as pedos without evidence, you have a different morality.

Tesla controls all the data on autopilot and have a history of lies and fraud (they're under a cease and desist letter for their safety claims AND a subpoena for this data) so we simply lack the data points. We do know that Teslas are 3x more deadly than the their peers, that there have been at least 4 autopilot deaths, and that insurance data of more frequent claims strongly contradicts Tesla claims of fewer accidents. Which is why they got a cease and desist letter to stop lying about safety.
Tesla fan videos showing the comically bad state of their autopilot software are idiotic now? Industry research reports are irrelevant? CBS news reports of Tesla decapitations and pulverizations and scary autopilot flaws are "irrelevant/biased"?

You've owned yourself so hard (and the facts are so strongly against you) that you have nothing left but to lie and sophist.

Tesla does not control all the data.

https://www.latimes.com/business/aut...214-story.html

See this article (which is very critical of Tesla in some respects) and you'll see that Tesla is (a) not the only organization controlling Tesla data and (b) not the only company pursuing autonomous driving to keep a tight leash on data.

Tesla is not unique in this regard, rather it is the norm to keep such data close to the chest, and for good reason. Although in an ideal world it would all be open source, that is not realistic.

Nonsense.

Insurers are incentivized to maximize premiums so what does their data show? Nothing. Even you are capable of understanding that. The fact Tesla is launching insurance shows there is a LOT of extra margin on the table, which further supports the above point.

Here is the letter:
https://www.plainsite.org/documents/...foia-response/

You've so badly misrepresented the nature of the cease and desist, and the status of that matter, I don't know where to begin...

Industry reports (ie. business intel subscriptions) are an efficient way for market researchers to fleece universities and procurement departments at large companies.

Such reports are also popular with self-indulgent goat strokers like yourself who lack reliable evidence/data but desperately want cool infographics to support their baseless arguments.

If the business intel guys had anything actionable whatsoever, they'd be better off investing themselves, rather than selling the data. So what you have is a premium subscription to a **** sandwich. Laughably stupid. Show me anyone at all who is capable of crushing a market but chooses instead to sell their insight and data for a relatively small amount so that others can exploit it instead. Oh you can't? Of course you ****ing can't because it's an utterly absurd proposition and you know it. It's like coaching in poker. Anyone who is remotely decent does not coach, unless they're just coming up, because they can make way more $ crushing the games and not ruining their EV by telling other people how to do that too.

Real Gs move in silence like lasagne.

The "Autopilot" (summon) videos show an almost functional product with a few wrinkles to be ironed out which could happen any day now with an over the air software update. Please record your face when that does happen and you drop your chocolate milk on the way out of CostCo as a Tesla flawlessly pulls up to collect one of your fellow shoppers.

That video would be worth watching: "Irrational TESLAQ donk spills choco milk in Costco carpark in shock at flawless Tesla Summon 1.0 arrival".

gg


I don't find people dying funny either. Are you seriously suggesting I do?

Get a ****ing grip man.

Even though I see you as pathetic, stupid, and dishonest, at least, I extend you enough respect to refrain from accusing you of rejoicing in the death or suffering of others.

Genuinely disappointing. Guess I overestimated you.

This is awesome. Count the things you disparage (hint: any and every fact that takes the shine off Tesla):
Fully sourced data of 71 Tesla deaths (a lower bound), compared against known long term stats of luxury cars at less than 1/3 of the rate - is "nonsense"
Insurance data reported to IIHS is faked (but only Tesla's!).
A cease and desist from a regulator over Tesla's fraudulent safety claims is waved aside
Industry research reports are bullshit.

These videos show an "almost functional product":





Let's recap:



Meanwhile, claims from a known liar and fraud who committed massive securities fraud and failed miserably on all his timelines are uncritically swallowed:

But you won't bet on it.

Everything that disagrees with your cultdaddy, Elon Musk, is "pathetic stupid and dishonest" according to you. It's right there above in black and white. You're a full blown cult creeper where what Musk says is to be believed and everything that disagrees with him is terrible.

It's an interesting insight into the minds of the the very weird losers who lost nearly half their investment believing Musk on $420 "funding secured" fraud, but it's still disturbing that someone can be so controlled by a conman.

You said it yourself: not enough evidence to determine whether or not Autopilot is safer than a human driver. You would LOVE to sweep this under the carpet. But all your posts window dress this important point.

Why do you continue to desperately cherrypick sources to support your biased loser take on $TSLA?

Sad AND dishonest. Much worse than fake news.

What you're lacking is:
> a data-driven answer on the relative safety of Autopliolt;
> an open mind;
> enough integrity to admit you don't know.

Nice try fraud chicken. How do you think $TSLA investors who bought at IPO ($17) are feeling right now ($215.59)? 789% sound okay to you?

Amazon stockholders who bought at $420 in April 2015 now have a stock worth $1764.

Come back in 4.5 years and see how much your biased and dishonest mud-slinging helped investors.

Dude you're done at this point. You went too far when you disparaged absolutely everything like a weirdo conspiracy theorist:

- Fully sourced Tesla deaths are a "stitch up"
- Regulator cease and desist letters about Tesla's safety claims are "misrepresented"
- Insurance data from the industry body showing Tesla accident claim frequencies are higher than others are "made up to increase premiums" (but not other cars they're compared against??)
- Longstanding industry research reports that show the terrible state of Tesla's autopilot are a "**** sandwich".

And then the spinning:

- Comically incompetent parking software that fails badly at every single task (videos posted by Tesla fans no less) is an " almost functional product with a few wrinkles to be ironed out"

Congratulations, you've achieved peak assclown. You're done man. You're even turning off Tesla fans at this point.

In a last desperate grasp, you mention the IPO, as if that has anything to do with whether Tesla is a good buy now (or was at $370 when Musk lied about "funding secured"). Hell, even Enron was well above its IPO when the fraud started to bite (as it is with Tesla).

Comparing Tesla to Enron is more conspiracy theorist than anything I've ever done lifetime. No similarity.

tesladeaths.com is not a credible source.

Yes, misrepresented, by you. The claim, by the agency, is that the use of agency info was not in accordance with their guidelines. You said it was fraudulent. Those are radically different things. You sloppy idiot.
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- Longstanding industry research reports that show the terrible state of Tesla's autopilot are a "**** sandwich".
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Yes. Eating a **** sandwich is bad enough. Paying through the nose for the privilege is much worse. You literally patted yourself on the back and gave the mirror a high five after posting this "longstanding" research.

BETA software.

You're literally going to drop the milk when it goes live. Please share that moment in this thread for all to see.

The G in lasagna isn't silent. If it was silent it would be lis-Ana, not lisaughnya

It's not "lis" anything

No supporting evidence. Typical.



Speaking of moving in silence: Tesla vehicles.

Except for the road noise.

despacito has an incredible ability to wrong about everything. Listens to the least reliable person in the world on Tesla autonomous driving claims (Elon Musk, the greatest failure in autonomous predictions in the history of the world), and gets his grammar from Lil Wayne. Dude's a level 5 autonomous assclown.

As for Teslas "moving in silence", of course he's wrong again. The Model 3 is way louder than a BMW, which is actual luxury. Model 3s are as loud as a budget priced Honda Civic according to Electrek.

Luxury soundproofing is what matters as road noise is the biggest component. The Model 3 lacks it despite its high price; when it comes to things like trim and soundproofing it's a turd far behind its luxury competitors in the same price category.

That's funny, I had you picked for a BMW (ie. poor man's Mercedes) driver.

As usual you provide no evidence + you're wrong.

See below...

Cliffs Notes: expert on car noise/EVs says Tesla Model 3 is 5-10% louder than the best performing vehicle (a Mercedes Model S) on a noise test.

SOURCE:
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...ise-evaluation

LOL at you bitching about other people's sources and then posting that. JFC.

also that's not 5-10% difference (70db is double as loud as 60 for example)

Logarithmic scale FTW. Welcome to the thread Nitti!

Speaking of quiet vehicles, check out this vid of the Taycan on the Nurburgring track. It's disconcerting how quiet it is at 160mph. All you hear is the driver's seat creaking and the bumps in the road.

Claims I'm wrong. Posts evidence I'm right. Misunderstands the evidence even then.
Yeah no kidding, lol. 70 is busy noise pollution, 60 is background music.

Mercedes are what poor people and losers think are "rich cars". The discerning wealth buys BMW for their day-to-day car, they're just a nicer car on several levels. For example, from my travels:

- Wealthy French Riviera: a good number of BMWs
- Dirt poor Albania: About 1/3 of the cars are Mercedes, close to zero BMWs

Lack of noise is considered a bug for high end sports cars.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ned-tech-dept/

Porsche does its own thing tuning sound proofing to let a characteristic “purrr” through as a luxury car dealer described to me. Similar phenomenon with engine vibration. People who buy sports cars (even sports variants of sedans, like V6 accords) want to “feel” the car respond to them though it’s actually pretty trivial even for Accords to make the car silent inside. A totally silent car, as some would put it, doesn’t feel “sporty.”

It’s the same phenomenon with instant cake mixes not selling unless you let the cooks crack eggs and beat the batter. People, for the most part, don’t actually want totally silent cars. A lot of people that get silent cars (bmw 9 series for example) have full time drivers.

The discerning wealth drive a 10 year old Toyota Camry, you bombastic douchebag.

I agree with you about Mercedes. My point was that BMW is for people who buy into Mercedes as a status symbol, but can't afford it.

I can't believe you compared the French Riviera to "Dirt Poor Albania". You're like an awful old miserly rich guy with no friends or family (except for the rich part).

Also dangerous for pedestrians.

A decent # of people do say the Model 3 is too noisy, but seems fairly easy to fix with an upgrade to door seals. Tesla should fix that asap.