I'm sorry, I thought this was America

Defamation (false statements of fact that harm reputation).

Good luck proving his statement as false, defamatory, and negligent based on your posts itt

And of course there is the other element- publication or communication to a third party.

Posting on 2p2 would meet that element.

SAYING IT TO HIS FACE IRL would not.

i just meant if my real name was associated

Like the emails Greenspan released where he called musk a liar and a scumbag?

Yeah, open and shut case.

Where was the statement of fact? I offered an opinion that what that guy did (framing and then falsely calling someone a pedophile) was a despacito-level scum act.

It seems I have to clue you in on defamation law as well. This is defamation:

The bolded are false claims of fact made by Elon Musk that gravely harm a person's reputation. The 12 year old bride thing in particular is a horrendous thing to say.

The below is an example of something that is not defamation as it is a statement of opinion and contains no claims of fact:

Do you see the difference? You're like Qazi in the following ways:

- Sophist for and defend a guy who calls strangers pedophiles and defames innocent people
- Post large amounts of highly positive content about that guy's business
- Uncritically parrot the guy

It's hardly a stretch that the level of pure scum who would shill, apologize and sophist for a guy who does these things has a lot in common with a guy who also does these things.

Even if the above wasn't the case, I can call someone a scum, a lowlife, the kind of person I think would do awful things, and none of it is defamation in any way, because it's not a false statement of fact, it's an opinion about their character. I have to claim a fact about you which is false and unreasonable to be defaming you.

Hilariously, an admin deleted the post (presumably reported by despacito) because I said this was "my favorite thing so far from the Tesla fans", and not knowing any context, he thought I was endorsing the behavior (faxing child porn to someone then trying to frame them for having it) rather than pointing out how completely insane it was.

What's your name, Elon Musk?

The writer comes off as extremely obnoxious and trolly. I never understand why people communicate in this way.

Can someone fill me in about who he is beyond the basic info on his webpage? Why does he have access to the entire Tesla board and can get his email responded to immediately, including a back and forth with Musk and a promise to follow up in detail?

Because when you communicate like that with narcissists like Musk, they bite, they can't help themselves.

That was such a cringy read. I couldn't get through it.

Tesla explodes twice after autopilot crashed into a parked tow truck.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ck-Moscow.html

Google is a car company? I didnt know that.

How much did Chipotle spend?


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What is the latest bankruptcy prediction from the bears ITT?

A lot of recycling of old stuff from the bears. Is there nothing else noteworthy that would help the cause?

Here another Tesla Killer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP9kokeyxGU

Yeah, the Taycan will hurt them as much as the iPace did (the last Tesla killer), which made a total mess of their European S/X sales and panicked Musk so hard he dropped prices 40k euros overnight - and sales of S/X still haven't recovered, they are way down even with the huge price drops. iPace is part of the reason that Tesla posted a massive loss last quarter despite record Model 3 deliveries.

A tiny bit of competition causes Tesla to lose their shirts. What will happen as competition ramps up with more and more compelling offerings as battery prices come down and it's finally worth building electric cars?

For example, here are 2019 for S, X, iPace sales in Norway from which we have reliable data:

I-PACE 2334
MODEL S 959
MODEL X 1341

That's 2300 people in one country who would have bought a S/X (iPace is the only real competitor to S/X), who instead bought an iPace. At $100K average/car (before Musk's panicked 40k euro price drop), that's $230 million dollars of high margin cars down the toilet - in a single country. Tesla would have basically doubled their sales of S/X in Norway without the iPace.

https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2009/05...emark-dispute/

Good point, Tesla isn't a tech company even though they pretend to be.

The i-Pace is nowhere in the US for example.

I am not going over this with you again. The i-Pace has the competitive advantage of no duties levied due to production in the EEA. It is not killing Tesla though.

A large part of the reason why the numbers are down is the fact that Tesla now has a smaller, more affordable car that satisfies a lot of the customer's need.
There is a significant number of people that could afford a low end MS that opt to purchase a M3.

I agree that a large reason for why Tesla posted a loss in Q2 was the low number of units sold for the MX & MS.

so in your view they are not getting hurt by competition but rather shooting themselves in the foot?
that must be reassuring.

https://insideevs.com/news/364322/vi...ic-future/amp/

Leno owns ~300 vehicles and a TV program called Jay Leno's Garage, which contains video clips and photos of his car collection in detail, as well as other vehicles of interest to him. He has a regular column in Popular Mechanics which showcases his car collection and gives advice about various automotive topics.

- Wiki

Spouting all the Tesla talking points. Bravo!

He is the perfect customer- gearhead who is obsessed with performance as measured by dick measuring contest stats like 0-60 time. Here comes a new shiny thing, yay fun! But rarely actually drives his Tesla and certainly doesn't need to rely on it to get to a 9-5 job on time every day.

The notion that Leno (a busy celebrity with 300 cars no less) has any clue about day to day Tesla reliabillity is so freaking dumb it might be a new low for despacito, and that's saying something.

I really hope despacito is a shill (Tesla has a number of paid social media workers) because if he's doing this for free that's just cringeworthy tragic.

Who to believe on Tesla reliability? Jay Leno? Or:

Consumer Reports:
Tesla Model 3 loses Consumer Reports recommendation over ‘reliability problems’
Tesla drops to third-worst in Consumer Reports reliability rankings

WhatCar Uk:
Tesla is the least reliable car maker at 57.3% reliability

Speaking of propaganda, PlainSite is out with an update on Zac and Jesse, the father and son youtube team whose videos are actually produced by a Tesla employee yet provide no disclaimers regarding their financial advice or conflicts of interest:

https://twitter.com/PlainSite/status...524085760?s=20

Yeah, like most frauds Tesla has a very capable social media team...I wouldn't be surprised if they spend tens of millions on this per year. Complaining blue check marks on Twitter are attended to in minutes. Single-purpose accounts like this post unceasing dishonest spam on Twitter favorable to Tesla every single day:

https://twitter.com/TeslaOpinion

Tesla is run like a penny stock whose product is its stock price. I just hope despacito is paid; it's so pathetic otherwise. Actually it's pathetic either way, but a job is a job and I can't fault someone for an easy paycheck.