track record of success at super difficult things on aggressive timeline

hard to compare but building spacex from scratch was probably more difficul than shipping FSD (in isolation, ie. ignoring everything else Tesla is doing)

Happy Funding Secured Day everyone!

guess that's why we have full self driving cars since the 1960s but haven't sent rockets to space even once...

I'm thinking you can call your internal stuff whatever, but I'm no lawyer, assuming the Java guys have cr/tm.

I'm imagining a bigger spiel where he harkens back to the Kung Fu scene from the Matrix and talks about your car becoming neo in it's spare time. An infinite training space where your car will learn to take on the rigors of the matrix.

lol, exactly. This whole conversation continues to be worthless.

how many other private rocket companies started since the 60s achieved profitability on a similar timeframe? how many of those have re-usable rockets?

zero.

What a joke. In order of increasing difficulty:

0. Making safe, competent level 2 autopilot (Musk's team failed at this horribly even today after years of trying).
1. Hustling up investors for a rocket company, finding a good partner to be the rocket engineer to actually do all the work. Hustling up taxpayer money to fund it.
2. Creating rockets that land - sometimes, if they're small enough. Being the second in the world to achieve this (Bezos' Blue Origin was first).
3. Making cars at scale
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6. Making level 3 autonomous driving that can safety handle most traffic situations with a driver to intervene
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9. Making low priced cars at scale profitably with a high quality level
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150. Solving autonomous driving at level 4 including inner cities
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2027. Solving autonomous driving at level 5

Using 1 and 2 as evidence that Musk is likely to do 150 and 2027 (especially when he failed 0 spectacularly after promising much and hasn't even started on 3) is ridiculous.

Making this comparison shows how little you care about the validity of anything you say.

What did I say that was false? Blue Origin was the first to land a rocket. It went up 100km into space and landed back on the same pad without a hitch:



Musk did it later with a larger rocket going further. Impressive, but as Blue Origin demonstrated with a much smaller staff and budget, your characterization of this as:

Is just silly.

Musk is a great money hustler, and great at getting taxpayer money as well. But the CEO of Theranos was also a great money hustler, and look how that ended up.

I sincerely think Elon Musk is mentally ill. Dude is legitimately manic.

When people acquire power, their true character is revealed

If you were qualified to make that diagnosis, you'd know it's inappropriate to do so on a public forum, especially since you've never met the guy.

Diagnosing someone as a random piece of ****, from reading two sentences that they posted on a public forum, seems a bit inappropriate and the type of thing someone who's highly unqualified, with an outsized sense of self importance, would post.

Fwiw I like to imagine that Elon somehow ran across BFI in Nov '18 and created an account to astroturf here, giving us 227 posts of pure gold to date. Given his Twitter history, and manic behavior, it wouldn't even be close to the craziest **** he's done.

Seems sociopathic to me.

I doubt anyone earns a billion without being at least bpd

You waltzed into this thread arguing with basically anyone and everyone and literally stated that Musk is an outlier...

But questioning his mental stability is a bridge too far?

LOL. Read the whole thing, it's worth it.

https://www.plainsite.org/documents/...ceo-elon-musk/

Wow. In case there was any doubt (after reading this thread, which is the "sane" version) whether Musk supporters are insane nutjobs:

WTF

This is way out of line.

I have nothing to do with this or people who do things like this.

You should retract this and apologize.

Retract what and apologize?

You uncritically shill for a man who publically defames strangers as pedophiles with zero evidence, just because they criticized his PR stunt, and you repeat his lies and sophist for him.

It's not much of a stretch, when your hero acts like that toward critics of him, to act like Mr Qazi allegedly did. A crazy cult is a crazy cult, and there's little crazier than the cult of Elon and its followers.

I am not associated with anything or anyone like that. It's a huge stretch to go from posting here to committing felonies/fraud.

Also utterly false. I condemned the defamation in this thread.

If you said this about me irl you'd be getting sued right now.

Do you know who decapitos dad is?

LOL!

Yeah, it's solid gold.
You actively support a man who commits fraud, and has falsely defamed total strangers as pedophiles to 22 million followers. Do you have no self awareness? No principles?

After spending substantial time being a sophist for this act and apologizing for him.

For what? For implying you're the same kind of scum as others who shill and apologize for a slandering fraud (Elon Musk is both)? Musk opens calls people pedophiles without any evidence and you defend him; this guy threatened to call another (innocent) guy that just like his hero Elon Musk did...it's no stretch at all to see Musk sowing the seeds of this toxic behavior. Musk himself tracked down and personally called the boss of one of his (polite, reasonable) critics to have him shut down. This is the scum you defend.