Yeah, descapito is either a very very stupid person or a lying shill. The average cost per year includes depreciation, repayment costs, etc, which he removes from Tesla but includes for ICE, which is either hilarious stupidity or deliberate shilling. The dude is really a clown. Here's what the American Automobile Association says:



This is two years old but Teslas are also way more expensive than many other electric vehicles so we'll call that a push.

Pretty much everything descapito says is wrong or a lie. In reality hybrids kick the **** out of Tesla on every metric:

- Environmental impact
- Cost to buy and run
- Reliability
- Resources required to manufacture

And Tesla have some of the worst ownership cost metrics of any car.

Objection: relevance.

Google has a 10 year head-start and is an advertising business.

Even if you ignore the fact they're in different industries, you'll have to wait 10 years and compare Tesla R&D spending in 2028 to Google's now.

Just LOL.

Even if you make a conservative estimate of $0.15 per mile, average driver is still saving $1800 per year.

As for high repair and maintenance costs, in many respects EVs have lower costs than ICE vehicles (for obvious reasons).

I didn't think you'd stoop this low. Uber isn't doing R&D, it's lighting IPO money on fire. lol flying taxis.

Your own table says EVs are the lowest cost option even before you factor in that you pay $0 for fuel for the lifetime of the vehicle.

Maybe some people like paying more for their car and gas expenses though?

Once you factor in the cost of fuel ($1800 - $7200) it's a crushing victory for Tesla.

I didn't need ToothSayer to point it out from post one to note it, but I think I and many other lurkers are firmly aware that despacito engages in sophistry and does himself no favors. We can do without the pretentious bull****...

That said, free charging is ****ing awesome iyam. However, still never buying a death trap, bro, solve that **** first and maybe I'll entertain a purchase. Still blows my mind people just sort of act like that little tidbit of reality isn't there. The car can kill you in ways an ICE won't. Maybe that's just me, but that matters imo

You seem to be over extrapolating and asking the wrong question.

I agree there have been incidents.

But the relevant question is: which is safer, a Tesla with Autopilot, or human drivers.

Depends on your skill as a driver too.

(fwiw I wouldn't buy yet either, I don't early adopt things that can kill me, which goes for cars, medicine, etc., but free electricity is a huge competitive advantage, I can see fleet sales bumping up as a result too)

No one would force you to use autopilot if you bought a Tesla. What other ways to die are you referring to that don't apply to ICE cars?

You're high or ******ed.

The table is the all-inclusive cost of owning a vehicle for a year, including fuel, maintenance, depreciation, insurance, etc. Read it again



Among cars:

1. Small ICE wins
2. Hybrids (e.g. Prius) are next
3. Medium size vehicles are next
4. Full battery cars are last
5. Tesla comes even further down the list as it's more expensive than your average electric car, and $400/year in electricity savings (if you use a supercharger 100% of the time) don't cover the much higher up front cost.
You're just straight up shilling at this point. If I was in your shoes I would too after being crushed over and over on logic and facts. What else have you got left? You can't win on reason and facts so all you've got left is lying and spinning.
The cost of fuel is $1800-$7200? Since you're simply making **** up, why now claim that fuel cost is $1,000,000 per year and be done with it? In reality, the cost of fuel is 10c per mile for the average new cars and 7c per mile for hybrids. From the AAA:

Cliff notes: You're flat out lying again. Yearly all-inclusive cost of ownership of a Tesla is higher than ICE and hybrid cars.

Those figures are pre-IPO. And Uber isn't doing R&D with their $1.5 billion in R&D money? Where is the money going then? You should probably alert the regulators and short the stock if you think they aren't doing R&D with their R&D money.

But you get the point. If Uber are spending $1.5 billion on R&D - more than Tesla which manufacturers many R&D intensive products such as cars and solar - then your claim that Tesla's R&D spending is "enormous" is comical.

By the way, silent flying taxis are going live in Singapore next month. You should see them rolling out around the world in the next few years. I'm looking forward to them.

Almost no one is going to to exclusively charge at a super charger. That's incredibly inconvenient. Also, I know decapitos time is worthless but for most people an hour waiting for your car to charge vs 5 minutes at a gas station offsets the savings. Not to mention the super chargers likely aren't on your usual route like a gas station.

Yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous. For many professionals their time is worth north of $50/hour.

12,000 miles x (1 hour per 300 miles) = 40 hours of your life (a full work week each year!) hanging out at a supercharger vs 3 hours total at a gas station. And even if you use a supercharger for free for 100% of your charging it's still more expensive to own a Tesla, as the up front cost is what kills you with Tesla.

You save much more than $400, obviously.

If you had half a brain you'd realize you can work anywhere with a smart phone, or read a book, post on 2+2, or reflect on the future of electric transport.

So you've bought a car that dictates when and how you work? Brb driving 15 minutes out of my way so I can read a book in a parking lot for an hour and save $20... until I have to give that $20 and more to the insurance man because I bought a car made in a tent.

It gives you the OPTION of free electricity at designated locations.

Electricity is pervasive, and you can elect to charge it anywhere. Even if you pay for it, it's still cheaper. As shown by TS' table.

(and this is not accounting for the income from robotaxis)

Edit: filling up with gas is relatively less convenient and limited to gas stations. Everyone has electricity at home, by contrast.

despacito, I actually work for a company specialized in financing cars. Electric is not cheaper. Anyone who tells you this is lying or doesn't grasp the full picture. For what it's worth the gap is becoming smaller & at some point electric will probably become cheaper, but I feel like that moment is still at least 2 car generations away. It's all highly dependent on how good & cheap the technology can become.

You are calculating savings as if people will always charge at a super charger. The point is anyone who thinks they are going to save money buying a Tesla is a fool.

I think it's time to ban this loser. Posts nothing of any worth at all. Completely a one-topic poster, and nearly all of that shilling for Tesla in the dumbest way possible - and what he posts is nearly always false.

One of the great things about 2p2 is that it has little tolerance for the kind of morons that ruin reddit investing or Yahoo stock forums. Descapito is one of those idiots. On top of that he's

- Prolific, disingenuous and stupid
- Way more than half of his content is provably dead wrong
- Way more than half is irrelevant or pure shilling

The dumbest thing of all is that the supercharging is only for the $75K+ S/X.

Here's descapito:

Hey guys buy a $75K car, it's $1K cheaper per year on running costs* than a $40K ICE car of comparable luxury! You'll even save the extra $400/year on electricity if you sit in a parking lot for a full working week per year**!

*Doesn't include the massive extra cost of being the lowest reliability car in the developed world.
**Doesn't include driving time to and from the "supercharger".

$90k+ depreciation in 7 months. Owner lost his job and is now $53k under water on his loan. Oops.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/c...n_8_month_old/

It's very standard though, you lose 10%-25% of the car's value on your first ride home. By the time you've driven 30.000 miles you're probably down to 50%. After that it stabilizes.

The bigger issue there is the massive price cuts. You can buy that same car new for 50k less.

Buying any brand new car is a fish move.