One thing we agree on: utility scale generation would be better (including solar thermal). Expect we'll see a lot more of this in California.

PV has the advantage of being modular and easier to plan, finance and deploy. If this is rolled out to all superchargers it will be significant.

No, it won't. Why is that so hard to understand?

Why is it so hard to understand? He's seen the future, man. And the future is Musk.

Switching [x]% of transport to renewable energy would be significant.

If superchargers effect > x, it is significant.

Simple and easy to understand.

Except, when you originally posted about this, what you said was

implying that solar could power charging stations by itself (because that is what was discussed earlier). That is clearly untrue.

There are a billion cars and 350 million commercial vehicles on the road today. The worst polluting ones are the old ones on the low end. Low end polluting ones are being added to India and other third world countries at a rapid rate.

To affect only 1% of global land transport, Musk needs to replace 10 million cars. The assclown has produced 5% of that 1% in 14 years, or 0.05% of global cars. And all of those were at the higher end, displacing already efficient cars where there's not much differential between them and Tesla.

The "significant" way to move transport to renewable energy is PHEV. Musk is hurting that goal by hoarding battery resources to make sports cars for rich people (the battery in each Tesla could make 10 lower end cars far less polluting).

The majors are what matter for a "significant" switch of transport to renewable energy, and PHEV matter most. Musk is an irrelevant joke even if Tesla grows on his planned optimistic trajectory, and has soaked up billions in taxpayer and investor money that could have gone to far more valuable projects for building green energy - fundamental research for example. Nearly any other use of Musk's $5 billion in taxpayer funds and $9 billion in investor funds that went into massively polluting large battery luxury sports cars, would have been a better use of those funds from the perspective of the environment. Nothing he does is green or good for the environment; the opposite is true.

TS and I agreed on this page that it is possible, he thinks it is undesirable, learn to read.

I agreed that it is possible in the sense that powering superchargers by people hand-turning generators is also possible.

Oh and you're not very bright if you thinking switching superchargers to solar + batteries is good for the environment rather than bad. It's a horrible waste of resources (I explained why above). If you actually want to improve emissions, you'd invest in a far more efficient large scale solar energy plant in an ideal location, with panels on movable systems, and feed that energy into the grid. That would be less than half the price and have a far better emissions profile than solar + batteries. So why would you ever do solar + batteries at each supercharger? Why would you promise it if the goal is to help the environment?

Because you're either a dumbass or a liar doing it for PR.

I want to take you seriously but it's hard when you make statements like this.

The model 3 is not a sport car and Tesla is building a lower end model (lower than the 3).

I agreed utility scale is more efficient (I know the LCOEs for different power sources).

But solar + battery is environmentally better than many power sources.

Large scale projects require phenomenal amounts of resources, planning, and orchestration. It's more efficient, but much harder to pull off too.

Good god, are you really this dumb? What he said was after you posted about the little PR stunt in Vegas. You saying that it is possible is the equivalent of "So you're saying there's a chance."

When? Next planned iterations out to 2021 are a Model Y (SUV crossover, higher priced, larger battery) and a pickup truck (lol).

Here's a reference for you, published in Nature no less, about how PEVs are way better use of scarce battery resources if you actually care about the environment.

CO2 Mitigation Potential of Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles larger than expected
And there's the rub. Burning billions of taxpayers dollars hoarding scarce battery resources to make long range sports cars for rich people is about the worst thing you could do for the environment.

I don't know. I think it was announced at autonomy day they're designing it 2019. You have to factor in "Musk time" obviously. But my understanding is the plan has always been to start from high end sports and scale to the lowest common denominator. The 3 is a bit too expensive for a lot of people and I know there is a large number of people who want a Tesla but are hoping for something cheaper. I don't know if or when it will happen.

(in before "the cost is going to x hundred K after robotaxi" lol)


Thanks for the reference. I will take a look later today.

Maybe just lower cost model 3

nitty fyi, but that reference is published in Scientific Reports, which is one of ~150 journals under the Nature Research group, and is not close to the same standard as being published in Nature the journal.

I'm actually curious, are these recharge stations Tesla-owned & operated?

The article says it's on Ceasers land because they want to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 30% by 2025.

So it's probably a bit of propaganda by Ceasars to appear CSR-busy.
I can't image solar panels placed at that location to have any noteworthy yield.
If you look at its surroundings it's most likely >50% covered in shadow, maybe a lot more. But it looks better than putting a roof full of solar panels that nobody can see! Lets hope at least their roofs are full of solar panels as well.

Wtf?

Just Elon being Elon. People love it.


(the original tweet was Elon: "I am become meme.")

sales seem to be picking up some, I assume in part due to price cuts.

https://twitter.com/DeanSheikh1/stat...98658011660290

https://twitter.com/Latrilife/status...16091759738881

What data are you basing this on???

The hard data we have for Europe (Netherlands, Norway, Spain) is awful - by far the worst month ever since the M3 came out there. The few items tracked in NA are awful too.

I think the tax credit was a big motivator for people.

You've being spewing this nonsense for the last 12 months and it turned out to be true for like 2 months.