Zac and Jesse are awesome

What an absolute cuckshow. Consumer Reports today:

Full autonomy in 8 months guy, and 1 million autonomous robotaxis in 2020!

Recall that this new "hands free" lane changing feature was released just days before "Autonomous Investor Day" last month, which occurred immediately before earnings and a raise - and Musk spent the entire raise call deflecting questions about demand and reservations back to 2020 robotaxis. This was obviously rushed out nowhere near ready to have something to show fake progress and generate excitement.

You see why he does this though - Alex Wice, a bright guy, was going to back him with >$100K on this pure obvious fraud. How many non-bright guys did?

All this is equally true for every other adaptive cruise control on the market. And it's in the damn manual. Tesla is extremely clear about the limitations of the Autopilot adaptive cruise control.

Tesla's are universally considered fun to drive. I don't think anyone has done a test drive of multiple EV brands and walked away thinking the Tesla was **** in comparison. The product is pretty good.. it just isn't quite what Musk needs you to believe for him to pull this off at the moment

We've had this argument and you've lost, just like every other one.

It's sold as "autopilot" with now "full self driving features" and "forward radar", "automatic braking", "collision avoidance", on cars with "fully self driving hardware right now" by a guy who's promising fully autonomous robotaxis next year on all Tesla cars.

You can see why people get confused, no? It's adaptive cruise control sold and hyped as something far more. Musk is basically killing people to keep his stock price up.

It's amusing that you grunched that post with Consumer Reports bagging autopilot safety directly above it.

Can you stop mentioning Alex Wice by name already? You've mentioned him at least 3 times since he last posted in here.

Almost everyone agrees here that it was a bad idea, but there's no reason to rub it in. If I were him your constant prodding would be an excellent reason to stop posting here, which isn't your goal.

It's really easy to make your point without calling him out, esp. since you seem to genuinely think he's a good/intelligent poster.

I don't mean to single him out and I doubt he'd take offense. I'm just more than a little surprised that someone as bright as Alex Wice could fall for a pure fraud. Even regulars here - gbp, myrna who KNOW Musk was a fraud gave a small chance he could do it or had doubts/questions. I don't get it. I guess it's standard human FOMO + a little understood area.

It's not about a test drive though, considering there is literally 0 qa done to these tin cans. It's like buying a coinflip from the grim reaper, heads you live tails you are beheaded by a semi or burned up in a battery fire.

Yeah, no ****. I am a degen.

I definitely messed up covering. Puts looking good though.

i can see the saudis or someone like that stepping in here at $50 and try to negotiate with creditors/panasonic/other parties like nevada or new york.

the scraps aren't really worth that much. i think it's in the interest of everyone to keep it going as a single company.

I mean it's literally in the manual that Autopilot can't handle the exact situation that led to the crash.

I mean it's literally in the name that it's an Autopilot and most people will think it drives the car. Plus, driverless taxis are coming soon!

We've been over this, but exactly like an aircraft autopilot, Tesla's Autopilot must be constantly monitored and supervised. The name is only misleading for people like that tooth sayer guy who fundamentally misunderstand aircraft automation.

You're right. The average guy is going to have a sound basis on how an airplane works.

I mean yeah, if everyone misunderstands aircraft automation to the degree that tooth sayer guy does then sure, it probably isn't a great idea to call the system Autopilot.

Its almost like flying an airplane through wide open skies is nothing like driving a car which requires constant evaluation of your environment and preparedness to make a split second decision at any time.

Its almost like there aren't clearly defined levels of autonomous driving that Tesla could use to describe its product but chooses not to because "Level 2 Driver Assist" can't be sold for $8k like "Full Self Driving" can and can't serve as the basis for a robotaxi pipe dream that is currently serving to prop up this dying company.

It's hilarious (aside from the death part) that all the Tesla fanboys think it's cool that there's people out their dying as a result of the intentionally misleading Autopilot name. Death is okay because drivers are supposed to understand it's just one of the crappier driver assist features on the market!

Not just a name, but a whole set of marketing and claims which I've laid out before. As well as what staff say when selling it. Warnings buried in the manual don't cover the sales lies/fraud or the deliberate false impression that's created about autopilot capabilities to get people to pay extra money/pump the stock/create the impression that Tesla is ahead on autonomy when they're actually far behind.

SenorKeeed is transparently a dickhead at this point. Not much more to say.

I mean if you want to say that it's very unlikely that Tesla will soon roll out level 4 automation I would absolutely agree. No argument here. So then if you want to argue that the hardware package that would enable this level 4 automation down the road is a scam, again, no argument from me. Seems reasonable. If you want to argue that level 2 automation is generally a bad idea and leads to dangerous diffusion of responsibility, again, I totally agree.

But in the two fatal tractor trailer Autopilot accidents, the level 2 automation that was in place didn't malfunction. It simply wasn't designed to avoid that situation. And that isn't a problem isolated to Tesla. Other level 2 systems currently in place have the same limitations.

this was possibly the funniest thing I've ever watched on youtube.

thank you so much for posting this.

One comment says that she responds, "Um, I have a boyfriend." I was sure she was going to say it until the tail end.

Hence my comment about the need to not mislead people about its capabilities and have a popup warning, because right now people ARE misled about what it can do thanks to Musk's lies and fraud and their various marketing and names. If you were to poll Tesla users last year I'd say you'd get 80+% calling outright bull**** on the statement: "Tesla is guaranteed to slam into stationary objects at high speed as it cannot see them". The reason they would think is Musk's statements, Tesla marketing, documented lies told when they test drive, Musk taking his eyes off the road and hands off the wheel in marketing videos, and even this when you order the car:



Unless you actually read the manual, would you expect that this product - with "advanced autopilot", "collision avoidance", "emergency braking", "all the hardware for fully self driving", "autonomous robotaxis next year using actual current Teslas" is guaranteed to slam into any stationary obstacles on the highway?

What the **** are you wasting everyone's time arguing about this for? You're a dickhead.

Can't blame Tesla for marketing the **** out of "autopilot". There is obviously regulatory precedent for them to get away with calling it autopilot. Does the government not care either? Seems like the deaths are within tolerance.

What a ****show. Here is the call: https://twitter.com/cppinvest/status...54661200207877