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04-21-2019 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by piepounder
I dont think its massive securities fraud posting online comments promoting your company. securities fraud is discrete actions with intent.
As an officer of a company you have a responsibility to take care in making true statements. He made a false statement about a HIGHLY material aspect of the company - that funding was secured at $420 for a private buyout, that the "only thing" in doubt was whether shareholders would approve it, and that all existing shareholders could remain when it went private. Misrepresenting material facts about your company is pure securities fraud.

Then Elon Musk actually said, with a month and a lawsuit to soberly consider his actions, that it was "worth it". He had previously stated a desire to burn the shorts and warned them to cover at $360 (the stock is now $270) because an "epic short squeeze" was coming.

This is clearly blatant securities fraud on a large scale, from a creepy loser who thinks he's above the law given his later comments. He told major material lies about a company buyout, doubled and tripled down on same, with major consequences for the orderly conduct and fairness of public markets. Billions changed hands on these pure reckless lies. Individuals lost large amounts of money. If this isn't securities fraud, what is?

If he was so high and irresponsible that he did it "without intent" - although any non idiot sees clear intent here - then he is unfit to be any officer of a company and should be forcibly removed.

In return for not being barred as a public officer, he solemnly agreed to the very light condition of having potentially material tweets reviewed before sending. He failed to do that as well, laughing about it, showing his contempt for the law and an utter lack of responsibility for his own actions. Again, it was his own supporters that he hurt with his recklessness and fraud, costing them billions of dollars. Shorts have had a great time from this loser. It's not them he's hurt but his own shareholders to which he has legal obligations as a public officer.

Last edited by ToothSayer; 04-21-2019 at 05:57 PM.
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04-21-2019 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Tesla is like an insane cult, not unlike Scientology. Harass and lie about critics, try to get them banned from platforms like Twitter for perfectly reasonable statements (Musk seems like friends with Jack).

Elon Musk personally called a prominent skeptic's boss to get him shut down (Montana Skeptic). Calling a SWAT team on a leaker claiming he was "threatening to shoot up their factory" (this was a pure lie). Calling child services on a former nurse who blew the whistle on their hiding/non-treatment of injuries (the investigation found nothing). Now they're claiming skaboosha - who seems like a reasonable, harmless fellow - hit an employee with his car and "attempted to interfer with the FSD vehicle they're filming". This is purely manufactured in my view - Tesla's security team were hired from the scandal-ridden Uber team who did all kinds of nasty stuff. Meanwhile, Tesla followers/bulls send death threats to prominent bears regularly.

Meanwhile, Musk routinely deliberately lies (or he is a very stupid person) to his investors and customers, gets people killed pushing out unsafe alpha software, sells pure vaporware, runs bait and switch schemes, takes months to refund. He also commits large scale securities fraud. His other companies lie to steal money from taxpayers and he embezzles money from yet another one.

Do you think these are the only ways in which he commits fraud and is dishonest? How many ****ing warning signs do you need?

And why anyone would defend such an obvious piece of **** is beyond me. He's the Monsanto/Scientology of the car industry.
Don't forget about the incident with the Reno journalist in 2015. Very similar allegations to those levied against skabooshka but the DA actually filed criminal charges. The assault charges were dropped after two years while the journalist paid a fine for trespassing.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2018/...ed/1004256001/
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04-22-2019 , 03:54 AM
that grimes stuff is reaching a bit tooth. but youre an allstar

also one of their cars exploded
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04-22-2019 , 03:58 AM
As far I can see no police report was made despite claims of trespassing, bodily harm, etc. Instead they put these claims in an emergency restraining order (by its nature uncontested, to contest it will take a month) four days before their autonomous investor event, because he was filming the route they were driving for "autonomous investor day" and could blow the story wide open if they had to do multiple takes or it was a preprogrammed con.
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Originally Posted by DrawNone
that grimes stuff is reaching a bit tooth. but youre an allstar

also one of their cars exploded
So Musk's girlfriend admits she has a thing for 420 and jokes about it often. And Musk's fraudulent tweet where he claims $420 "funding secured" is also $420. Meanwhile we have independent corroboration of same from Azalea Banks, who was there during the tweeting.

Oh and they claimed to have 420,000 reservations for the Model 3 even after selling a bunch.

I'm sure this is all above board and just a bizarre coincidence and not deliberate fraud from a crazy loser who calls strangers pedos and loves meme jokes and thinks securities fraud is "worth it" despite it hurting his investors and promised to "burn the shorts". I'm sure $420 was a real made up number and had nothing at all to do with it being the number his nerdy girlfriend claims she is obsessed with.

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04-22-2019 , 04:13 AM
04-22-2019 , 07:11 AM
What a weekend.

- SpaceX crew capsule final test for their first human space flight suffers catastrophic failure on its final test just as they're in the middle of a $500 million funding round after Musk's embezzlement. The explosion sent smoke plumes over Florida.



- A Model S explodes in a Chinese parking lot, destroying two other cars, and is widely reported on the news. Should be good for already massively declining sales.



- A Model S spontaneously explodes (well, catches fires and burn for 6+ hours) in Saratago:



- Tesla files a restraining order against a twitter user who was filming their autonomous car, which leads to an explosive fund raise for his legal fees, and backlash and bad PR ahead of Musk's "autonomous investor day" fraud.

- Bucking the trend, Musk implodes on Twitter

Last edited by ToothSayer; 04-22-2019 at 07:20 AM.
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04-22-2019 , 07:42 AM
You also missed 4 directors leaving and the board shrinking from 11 to 7 (2 of the remaining being elon and kimbal lol)

Going to be a fun week.
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04-22-2019 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by protonewb
You also missed 4 directors leaving and the board shrinking from 11 to 7 (2 of the remaining being elon and kimbal lol)

Going to be a fun week.
It’s crazy this was 4 days ago, seems like years
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04-22-2019 , 02:04 PM
We need to get some psychiatrist/psychologist/sociologists in this thread because I just cannot understand the world right now.

This company is overvalued by BILLIONS (quite possibly the only thing every poster ITT agrees on) and its product is a literal death trap. Holy ****ing ****
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04-22-2019 , 02:24 PM
tens of billions.
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04-22-2019 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
We need to get some psychiatrist/psychologist/sociologists in this thread because I just cannot understand the world right now.

This company is overvalued by BILLIONS (quite possibly the only thing every poster ITT agrees on) and its product is a literal death trap. Holy ****ing ****
BTD

If this earning pump fails it could get very ugly very fast. I'm always leaning short and protected to the downside but I think a transparent pump the public could quickly see through is best case scenario for traders. I'll be selling some vol and hoping for a chance to get a reversal on a silly earnings pump
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04-22-2019 , 02:36 PM


It's finally starting now

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04-22-2019 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
What a weekend.

- A Model S spontaneously explodes (well, catches fires and burn for 6+ hours) in Saratago:

Uh this happened 4 months ago

WHAT A WEEKEND!
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04-22-2019 , 02:42 PM
Seriously guys, this weekend was just JAM PACKED with terrible Tesla news. Why, I barely had to manufacture any at all!
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04-22-2019 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Seriously guys, this weekend was just JAM PACKED with terrible Tesla news. Why, I barely had to manufacture any at all!
you're trying too hard
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04-22-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Uh this happened 4 months ago

WHAT A WEEKEND!
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Seriously guys, this weekend was just JAM PACKED with terrible Tesla news. Why, I barely had to manufacture any at all!
-SpaceX crew vehicle unexpectedly blew up on its final test as they're doing a raise, after failing the last funding round.
-Exploding Model S in parking lot in China goes viral in China on social media and news stations
-Single person on Internet posts an out-of-date example of a Tesla spontaneously catching fire.

Keeed's takeaway: IT WASN'T A BAD WEEKEND GUYS BECAUSE LAST LINK INVALID!
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04-22-2019 , 02:55 PM
This is something. High school level PowerPoint is more interesting and organized. Speaking gibberish so nobody can focus on the fact it's all bs.

Elon told this guy to rebrand a chip and say they are making their own. Tesla headline - we're making the first self driving chip ground up. Reality - oem part they slap a logo on and also license key ip from real manufacturer.
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04-22-2019 , 03:02 PM
It's amazing is what it is. What a disaster. They appear to have nothing.

I'm assuming Musk just wanted to do a donkey carrot to keep the stock elevated to keep the slappies (hi SENORKEEED) excited and not selling their stock.

If Musk doesn't come out with an inner city FSD video with it doing amazing things then I think this whole thing is a big negative for the stock. He's lost his touch if he doesn't. Solar Roofs was a full fake city.
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04-22-2019 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
-SpaceX crew vehicle unexpectedly blew up on its final test as they're doing a raise, after failing the last funding round.
-Exploding Model S in parking lot in China goes viral in China on social media and news stations
-Single person on Internet posts an out-of-date example of a Tesla spontaneously catching fire.

Keeed's takeaway: IT WASN'T A BAD WEEKEND GUYS BECAUSE LAST LINK INVALID!
just pointing out you are so hilariously eager to breathlessly post more BAD NEWS GUYS REALLY BAD about Tesla that you apparently can't be bothered to read when the event actually took place. So in that BAD NEWS FOR TESLA post one event is for a spaceship test in an entirely separate company and one was four months old. So in an INCREDIBLY BAD WEEKEND you have 1/3 of your post that both involves the actual company in question and, you know, took place in the current year. Great stuff man, keep it up.
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04-22-2019 , 03:05 PM
Musk is literally sitting there like jaba the hut, murmuring when his stooge botches the lines.

"All the Tesla cars today are capable of self driving, all you have to do is prove the software."
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04-22-2019 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
just pointing out you are so hilariously eager to breathlessly post more BAD NEWS GUYS REALLY BAD about Tesla that you apparently can't be bothered to read when the event actually took place. So in that BAD NEWS FOR TESLA post one event is for a spaceship test in an entirely separate company and one was four months old. So in an INCREDIBLY BAD WEEKEND you have 1/3 of your post that both involves the actual company in question and, you know, took place in the current year. Great stuff man, keep it up.
yet the market is unchanged, the range has been incredibly narrow, and TSLA is down 10 on a nothingburger weekend?

ok
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04-22-2019 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
I mean like griz said it was oversubscribed. They wanted 750 million at the terms they sought, but when they couldn't get those terms they reduced the amount. They had enough investors to get more than 250 at the worse terms. It was SpaceX's decision to limit it to 250.
Keed,

Do you have an update on this take given the recent SpaceX filing indicating $44m invested in their latest round (<10% sought.)
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04-22-2019 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
We need to get some psychiatrist/psychologist/sociologists in this thread because I just cannot understand the world right now.

This company is overvalued by BILLIONS (quite possibly the only thing every poster ITT agrees on) and its product is a literal death trap. Holy ****ing ****
There must be something the bears are missing, right? If the stock is this bad, how can so many people not see it?
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04-22-2019 , 03:18 PM
Claims to now be the leading self driving chipmaker over nvda, says lidar is a fools errand and companies focused on it are doomed . Have 3 year head start on the competition, 3x better technology, 3x better ip, 3x everything...
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04-22-2019 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
just pointing out you are so hilariously eager to breathlessly post more BAD NEWS GUYS REALLY BAD about Tesla that you apparently can't be bothered to read when the event actually took place. So in that BAD NEWS FOR TESLA post one event is for a spaceship test in an entirely separate company and one was four months old. So in an INCREDIBLY BAD WEEKEND you have 1/3 of your post that both involves the actual company in question and, you know, took place in the current year. Great stuff man, keep it up.
Tesla frequently ripped on SpaceX successes and dived on SpaceX misses. Your notion that they're separate in the minds of investors means you don't ****. I mean, we already knew that since you're a low-rent sarcclown, but this is just nonsense and even you should know better.

Inability of Musk to raise investor money/the valuation of SpaceX plays into a lot of things given that Musk has billions in pledged shares of Tesla with banks covering $1 billion in loans, has been turned down for loans pledged against SpaceX, and recently had to mortgage his houses to pay back some of his SpaceX embezzlement. It's highly relevant in the minds of investors and a failure like that late in the sequence takes some of the shine off Musk in the eyes of investors.
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
yet the market is unchanged, the range has been incredibly narrow, and TSLA is down 10 on a nothingburger weekend?

ok
People like Keeed who don't get it are why I can make money.
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