I just realized I didn't even talk about the iPace.

It really was totally forgettable compared to the i8... and it's not even much cheaper relative to the certified preowned i8. It really did nothing for me or my wife. It just oozes boring.

Psychologically I think people are more accepting of Tesla partly because it's built like it's for the future and that makes people more accepting of the limitations of an EV (and all the quality issues.) When you get in an iPace, you can't help but think of all the everyday inconveniences because it is built like it's meant to replace ICE today.

i8 is just a different beast. It's just pure sex. I honestly don't know why it's depreciating so fast so that gives me pause. There has to reasons why so many owners would take a 100k loss to sell it back in a year or two with less than 20k miles. I probably still go for Porsche 911 if I really go down the sports car route.

I am pretty sure Tesla gives you adapters.

Here's some more notes for you: Neither of us is much of a car enthusiast, we don't even own cars right now and take uber everywhere. Both single guys, my last car was a Mercedes Eclass, friend had some ford SUV last.

I'm not sure what particular specs the cars had, but the Model X had a ludicrous mode on it. All the cars had enough speed that I would use speed as 0% of my purchasing decision. Even the Model 3 is plenty fast. Electric cars make it harder to tell how fast you're going. The iPace even pipes in some sort of engine whine so you can tell you're going fast. It's kind of the same effect as being on an electric train, where you see you're passing freeway traffic but it doesn't feel that fast.

I wanted to test drive the Jag when I saw the videos of it driving in rivers and on steep dirt roads. I read somewhere that Tesla warranty is void if you off-road it, but the rep disputed that. The Jag suspension also felt way smoother when running over curbs and cobblestones. Neither has a spare tire, but I would add one. Friend liked how the Jag looked better than the Model X. Jag looked real small to me, and we looked it up and it was about a foot shorter and a bit narrower.

Teslas have a halo effect, even the Model S which is quite a few years old now. You stand next to it and it's got this magical feeling coming off it. It's more pronounced in the X with the gull wing doors open, and less in the Model 3, but they all have it. The iPace doesn't have it at all. So I don't believe this "S/X needs a refresh" I see some shorts saying. If I got an iPace, I might be concerned that friends wouldn't even notice that I got some crazy electric SUV that just came out. It doesn't seem very special.

The most obvious wow thing in a Model X is the windshield. It doesn't look like anything from the outside, but you get in it and it's like WOW I can see everything, at least in the front seats. All other SUVs have this huge crossbar coming across blocking a large chunk of the vision of anyone near 6 ft tall. It might strike me as unsafe if I didn't know it has a great safety rating. Musk is an incredible designer. I like the rest of the interior too, it just feels way better than the ipace to sit in. It feels futuristic and spacious.

The Tesla seems to be geared at tech bros such as myself. I love all the beta features, even if it doesn't work all the time. The huge screen is awesome. Parking itself between two other cars in a parking lot is a fun demo. I was hoping the iPace would have some tech features geared at me, but it all seemed real standard knobs and gauges. The only company I've seen aiming at tech bros is NIO, but apparently they aren't looking to sell in the USA.

Friend found it compelling that Model X had a 7 seat configuration.

Tooth, I know that one study says Tesla is dead last at autonomous driving, yet every review I have found comparing autopilot systems show that Tesla does a better job of driving skills like keeping in its lane. All ipace had was some stupid thing that buzzed the steering wheel if i drove over a white line. I'm sure Waymo is way ahead, but not sure about any other manufacturer.

iPace dealer barely knew anything about the car, while Tesla has an excellent pitch that made me want to buy one.

The things stopping me from buying the X were:
1) The company is going bankrupt and I don't know what that will do to parts, service, and retail value
2) Two Tesla owner friends told me that tons of stupid little things go wrong with them, and since I don't live near a service center this could be a huge issue. One said his Model X went to the shop 8 times in one year, and then the autopilot crashed him into a semi that pulled out in the road, and he's lucky to be alive. However, get this, he would still buy that SUV again! He still wishes he had it, and would get it again if he moved back to California! After driving one, I understand how that could be true. He now has a Taycan preorder.
3) The roads are real bad where I live and I am suspicious that the Model X is a durable machine.

Thanks for the report. Good insight into why anyone would care that a car can fart and doesn't have knobs.

You mentioned a great safety rating and that Tesla seems to be ahead in autonomous driving. Yet your friend's X tried to kill him while on autopilot.

Great article on Tesla's outdated self driving strategy and tech: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03...bly-dangerous/

My car nearly got me killed but I totally want another one just blows my mind.

That's like saying I know this chick has an incurable STD but I'm totally smashing anyway.

I can understand it somewhat, but to ultimately decide you WANT to put yourself in that situation knowingly? wtf...

Especially when Teslas on autopilot HAVE killed drivers by smashing into semi trucks.

Anyone else recall seeing a picture posted on twitter of a Model 3 screen depicting a semi truck as two separate vehicles with a gap in the middle?

Let's expand on the STD metaphor a bit more:
1. we know even the bulls know about the incurable STD
2. imagine there is a significant possibility the STD can be cured in the future

That's a decent chunk of Tesla's bull case.

That was reasonable on the first read and hilarious on the second read.

Tesla cars lack both the hardware and software for dealing with stationary objects...Tesla software is so cuck-level incompetent that can't even avoid high overpasses setting it off sometimes, hence having to blanket turn it off...and there's no R&D money for a proper effort.

Without more/different radar hardware, their image recognition is years away from being able to do this. So it's like getting an STD you could die from at any point but could be fixed in 3-10 years and by that time you might need a whole new body.

So autopilot Tesla is basically 1990s AIDS

grizy, Porsche and the crap gadget known as Tesla do not belong in the same sentence without properly acknowledging that distinction .

People without herpes **** other people with herpes constantly.

Preaching to the choir.

I just thought it was interesting my wife liked Tesla as much as she did.

The i8 is an amazing car. I am not sure why it retains so little value though I suspect it's because people who bought it ended up having to both charge the battery and fuel the gas tank. It's just awkward but there is really nothing to complain about in terms of performance if you buy a used one. I think the used ones are great value but I'd never pay for a brand new one.

Is it though? By the time that "STD is cured" everyone has it, not just Tesla.

I just can't believe Teslas are allowed on the road now with "features" that are literally killing drivers and effectively putting all other motorists at risk and costing the state money when it has to clean up some mess from a highway pileup or a car burning up on the side of the road or dispatch emergency services.

I know that's sort of a specious argument but c'mon. The bar is too low imo. Perhaps I'm unlike most, but I refuse to buy a car like that. I don't ever want the option of turning on autopilot if I know it might jack me into a divider or speed up when it should slow down. And I damn sure won't want that possibility for a friend or loved one who wants to test drive/borrow it.

I refuse to buy a car like that too. But as a investor, I have to give Tesla credit for convincing people to buy cars like that.

It’s the same thing with a lot of luxury brands. Hugo Boss stuff is way overpriced and tends to be more poorly constructed with cheaper materials compared to peers in price range but I have to admire the brand’s ability to charge a premium. I just eye roll at 90%+ of LV stuff too but man, that brand has some serious value.

I disagree “everyone” will have whatever x-factor got now. Tesla is the only unadulterated “fast EV” brand around. That has value. Porsche/Ferrari still commands significant premiums over similarly performing, for example, Mustang GT500 and a big chunk of the premium is brand catchet.

Porsche definitely has something. I don’t know what it is but the 911 tugs at my heart in ways other cars just don’t. I don’t think I am alone.

If "autopilot" was sold honestly and Musk stopped lying and defrauding people with "Fully Self Driving" capabilities, there wouldn't be a problem.

When engaged it should have a popup that says "Autopilot is guaranteed to slam your Tesla car at full speed into stationary objects, and decapitate you if a truck is turning across the road, since it lacks the ability to see stationary objects. It is also guaranteed to run off the road into concrete barriers if lane markings become unreliable. Please use with extreme caution"

That's what an honest man who cared about human life would do. But Musk is a conman who'll lie and cheat however he can to keep his stock price pumped and billionaire lifestyle going. What's a few dozen dead bodies to a sociopath?

Twitter army saying production has ramped back up at the factories.

Not surprising. I expect that there'll be a large demand boost lasting 1-2 months with these massive price cuts across all models.

Is the analogy

Model S : Model 3 :: Model X : Model Y

correct?

Kind of bizarre Left pump here. Bloomberg even copy/paste'd his borrowed concept image (reportedly a drawing from a Turkish fanboy) as their lead hyperdrive story (since corrected).

Musk went from profit in Q1 as a super-duper hard but maybe possible tiny chance, to no chance on the secret conference call (with reports that he let DB analysts hear the real news). Could be setting up a solid trade here especially if it runs up some more with Y reveal/ SEC wristslap 2.0.

I would be getting in OOTM puts for somewhere around May to let the huge Q1 miss and subsequent realization that EU has shifted to runrate demand hit.

This ones pretty funny. Model 3 Autopilot "saves" driver from a crazy semi!

https://insideevs.com/video-autopilo...sh-crazy-semi/

What really happened is the semi is trying to get over because of a wreck or something on the side of the road, and because the tesla driver isn't paying attention it's creating uncertainty and danger for at least 3 different vehicles.

The nice thing to do would have been brake and let the semi over.

I think the advances heading towards autonomous driving a really cool, but clearly create danger in some situations (and decrease danger in a lot of situations too). Should probably be thought through a little better than it currently is to be considered safe.

https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla...d-accelerated/

Fun news today. WTF.


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Musk is straight trolling shorts and bears. Lol

So the store closings are more like regular trimming of underperforming stores and moving orders online is basically an excuse to cut commissions?

And now he even has an excuse to raise prices.

I am pretty sure this wasn’t the plan.

No, he's just an impulsive moron

Note my last sentence.

Lmao

https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-te...es-and-pricing